Marvin on Bill Gibbs former UT hoops asst killed in plane crash

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Makes you want to drive everywhere you go. I've never liked flying....not sure if you guys have heard this one but the Bible says "Lo(w) I am with you always". I drive where I can.

Driving is best if you are totally focused and defensive; with the nutjobs out there today. Helicopters------No Way. You are coming down in circles; no chance for a crash landing.
 
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Makes you want to drive everywhere you go. I've never liked flying....not sure if you guys have heard this one but the Bible says "Lo(w) I am with you always". I drive where I can.

I like planes, love flying, and watch almost any TV aviation show or movie. Especially shows analyzing military aerial combat. Not because I love war. Rather, it's the only way to see planes exhibit their full capacities. Air shows are great but even they don't air dance the way combat forces a plane to do so. But I avoid flying now. Mainly because at O'Hara, Atlanta, Dallas-Fort Worth, McCarran, and Charlotte/Douglas airports I witnessed pilots drinking cocktails at the airport bars, then boarding the planes to fly them. In two cases, a passenger alerted cops via cellphone (as opposed to the TSA) and the pilot was breath tested and removed from the plane. Thus I decided if a so-called professional who has the lives of several hundred people in his hands disrespects their safety, they were best avoided. In today's world, such disregard for common sense and professionalism is all too common on every level of society. So sadly now, I avoid flying. It's so bad that even right now Boeing ignored and lied about the fact their newest airliner was a safety hazard to crew and passengers.
 
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I like planes, love flying, and watch almost any TV aviation show or movie. Especially shows analyzing military aerial combat. Not because I love war. Rather, it's the only way to see planes exhibit their full capacities. Air shows are great but even they don't air dance the way combat forces a plane to do so. But I avoid flying now. Mainly because at O'Hara, Atlanta, Dallas-Fort Worth, and McCarran, and Charlotte/Douglas airports I witnessed pilots drinking cocktails at the airport bars, then boarding the planes to fly them. In two cases, a passenger alerted cops via cellphone (as opposed to the TSA) and the pilot was breath tested and removed from the plane. Thus I decided if a so-called professional who has the lives of several hundred people in his hands disrespects their safety, they were best avoided. In today's world, such disregard for common sense and professionalism is all too common on every level of society. So sadly now, I avoid flying. It's so bad that even right now Boeing ignored and lied about the fact their newest airliner was a safety hazard to crew and passengers.
This was the most lucid thing I've ever read from you
 
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Marvin West still have a marvelous way with words, mixing in history with the present day. And MW can do so without injecting personal biases, politics, etc. in his writing (take note, so-called "sports journalists"). Thanks for sharing this.
 
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Makes you want to drive everywhere you go. I've never liked flying....not sure if you guys have heard this one but the Bible says "Lo(w) I am with you always". I drive where I can.
Yet tens of thousands are killed every year in autos. Statistically, one is much safer flying than driving.
 
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Yet tens of thousands are killed every year in autos. Statistically, one is much safer flying than driving.

That's true and has been for decades on decades. The problem now isn't the planes per se, but the increasing lack of integrity of pilots and plane manufacturers. Also, ground personnel failing to secure storage doors, thoroughly checking bolts, screws, wiring, etc. There's even incidents of disgruntled workers intentionally creating, not fixing a safety issue, or reporting the same. If I recall right, a plane was stopped just before takeoff because the pilot noticed an irregularity in a switch's behavior and decided to not ignore a "minor" inconvenience and radioed his concern. It led to a chain of events that had the plane called back. Eventually led up to a worker who created the situation that would have led to an electrical fire. Turns out he was pissed off at not getting a raise and time off. Here's just an example of stuff passengers are unaware regarding the planes they pay to fly. And it's getting worse as our overall loss of integrity in our society is proving more and more.
FAA: Southwest Airlines Maintenance Safety In Question... Again | Aviation.travel
 
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Yet tens of thousands are killed every year in autos. Statistically, one is much safer flying than driving.

Very subjective.
If you count every time you start a car get to destination turn off car as 1 journey.
versus
getting on a plane flying and landing as one journey.
Where most people would make more journey's by car in a week than they would by plane in a lifetime.
The number of what I'm calling journey's are millions more by car than by flight.
 
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Bill Gibbs was just a shade before my time. I do remember my Dad talking about the 3 UT assistants coaches that were killed in '65 when they hit by a train over behind where Westtown mall now is, one of them being Johnny Majors brother, Bill. I worked in Gibbs Hall most of my days as a student waiting tables for the teams that lived there.

The last sentence of the article: "When the university tore down Gibbs Hall, it got a little bit of me. "

I too had this feeling, but for different reasons. I spent a lot of hours in that building.
 
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Woodsmanvol, I hear what you are saying, I wonder these things everytime I fly. Is everyone on their game? After reading the article, I had forgotten how many athletes have passed in plane crashes. With that said, I love to fly, my husband is a recreational pilot with IFR rating. We love planes and flying. Six months earlier, we flew in the same B-17 that crashed at Bradley with the same pilot that died. It’s a mixed bag and a decision/chance I’m willing to take.
 
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Driving is best if you are totally focused and defensive; with the nutjobs out there today. Helicopters------No Way. You are coming down in circles; no chance for a crash landing.
Helicopter is more survivable than a plane when going down if your pilot can auto rotate to a hard landing.

That being said, small aviation crash all the time. I usually deal with multiple crashes with fatalities at work every day. Still technically more safe than driving though.
 
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I like planes, love flying, and watch almost any TV aviation show or movie. Especially shows analyzing military aerial combat. Not because I love war. Rather, it's the only way to see planes exhibit their full capacities. Air shows are great but even they don't air dance the way combat forces a plane to do so. But I avoid flying now. Mainly because at O'Hara, Atlanta, Dallas-Fort Worth, McCarran, and Charlotte/Douglas airports I witnessed pilots drinking cocktails at the airport bars, then boarding the planes to fly them. In two cases, a passenger alerted cops via cellphone (as opposed to the TSA) and the pilot was breath tested and removed from the plane. Thus I decided if a so-called professional who has the lives of several hundred people in his hands disrespects their safety, they were best avoided. In today's world, such disregard for common sense and professionalism is all too common on every level of society. So sadly now, I avoid flying. It's so bad that even right now Boeing ignored and lied about the fact their newest airliner was a safety hazard to crew and passengers.

I’m over a million miles now, and I have never experienced any major problems while flying...and I certainly have never witnessed anything like what you describe (DFW is my home base)...despite spending too much time in the airport bars myself. I will also note that wearing a uniform does not make a person a pilot.

Security is a bit of a hassle, but not if you have the right attitude.

But, I guess it’s not for the paranoid out there.
 
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Helicopter is more survivable than a plane when going down if your pilot can auto rotate to a hard landing.

That being said, small aviation crash all the time. I usually deal with multiple crashes with fatalities at work every day. Still technically more safe than driving though.

Technically; yes. However, how many auto crashes result in no injuries, or non lethal ? How many Airplane crashes result in no injuries? In both cases, you are going to hit something at ground level, But At least in an automobile, you eliminate the Law of Gravity. Bravo on your work.
 
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I’m over a million miles now, and I have never experienced any major problems while flying...and I certainly have never witnessed anything like what you describe (DFW is my home base)...despite spending too much time in the airport bars myself. I will also note that wearing a uniform does not make a person a pilot.

Security is a bit of a hassle, but not if you have the right attitude.

But, I guess it’s not for the paranoid out there.

Neither you nor I can be everywhere at once, nor see everything other people have seen. Call that paranoia if you must. As for a uniform not being a pilot, it is when he dragging the little wheeled suitcase behind him. Puts it away or has a stewardess put it in a compartment in the first-class section. Then knock on the cockpit door for admittance and enters. Sure it could be the navigator, co-pilot or trainee. But when cops show up and escort said uniform off, well... Your next snide remark will probably be that drunk pilots don't exist. OK, here's just one of several examples. Here's one I didn't see either but know it happens based on what I did see and such reports from time to time. Neither you nor I can be everywhere at once, not see everything other people have seen. Call that paranoia if you must. On a rabbit hunt, I saw a buck flip head over heels, jerk his legs a few times and lay still. I never saw the bullet hit it. That didn't change the fact brer rabbit was lying dead on the ground.
A Delta pilot was removed from a fully boarded plane and arrested on suspicion of being intoxicated - CNN
 
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In the case of the crash that took Bill Gibbs life and 9 others, it was due to improperly loading the plane, shifting the center of gravity too far to the rear, thus causing it to stall.
 
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Neither you nor I can be everywhere at once, nor see everything other people have seen. Call that paranoia if you must. As for a uniform not being a pilot, it is when he dragging the little wheeled suitcase behind him. Puts it away or has a stewardess put it in a compartment in the first-class section. Then knock the cockpit door for admittance and enters. Sure it could be the navigator, co-pilot or trainee. But when cops show up and escort said uniform off, well... Your next snide remark will probably be that drunk pilots don't exist. OK, here's just one of several examples. Here's one I didn't see either but know it happens based on what I did see and such reports from time to time. Neither you nor I can be everywhere at once, not see everything other people have seen. Call that paranoia if you must. On a rabbit hunt, I saw a buck flip head over heels, jerk his legs a few times and lay still. I never saw the bullet hit it. That didn't change the fact brer rabbit was lying dead on the ground.
A Delta pilot was removed from a fully boarded plane and arrested on suspicion of being intoxicated - CNN

Okay, that is one incident.
 
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Makes you want to drive everywhere you go. I've never liked flying....not sure if you guys have heard this one but the Bible says "Lo(w) I am with you always". I drive where I can.

The last fatal crash from a major airline in the US was in 2009.

Stay off private aircraft and helicopters and your odds of dying as a result of a crash are basically 0.
 
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Okay, that is one incident.

As I said in my post the example was one of several. In fact, drunk pilots happen more often than is publicly reported. Use GOOGLE for Drunk pilots. However, I think it's clear as with many alternate facts folks, you don't want to know the truth so just forget it.

Yet again, one of a number of articles showing it isn't a one time thing. Integrity and professionalism is degenrating in socity and manifesting itself on all levels.
The truth about drunk pilots – does the profession have an alcohol problem?
 
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This thread went down the drain quickly. We get it, some of you are afraid of flying and are analytical statisticians. Good luck in your hut, im going to see the world. You only get one!

RIP to Bill Gibbs and the rest of the lives lost in this horrible accident.
 
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This thread went down the drain quickly. We get it, some of you are afraid of flying and are analytical statisticians. Good luck in your hut, im going to see the world. You only get one!

RIP to Bill Gibbs and the rest of the lives lost in this horrible accident.

Funny thing is, I'd jump at the chance to ride an Energia, Proton or Dragon rocket to space, orbit or space station visit.

Oh, RIB Gibbs, Marshall football team, and others who fly and crashed.
 
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That's true and has been for decades on decades. The problem now isn't the planes per se, but the increasing lack of integrity of pilots and plane manufacturers. Also, ground personnel failing to secure storage doors, thoroughly checking bolts, screws, wiring, etc. There's even incidents of disgruntled workers intentionally creating, not fixing a safety issue, or reporting the same. If I recall right, a plane was stopped just before takeoff because the pilot noticed an irregularity in a switch's behavior and decided to not ignore a "minor" inconvenience and radioed his concern. It led to a chain of events that had the plane called back. Eventually led up to a worker who created the situation that would have led to an electrical fire. Turns out he was pissed off at not getting a raise and time off. Here's just an example of stuff passengers are unaware regarding the planes they pay to fly. And it's getting worse as our overall loss of integrity in our society is proving more and more.
FAA: Southwest Airlines Maintenance Safety In Question... Again | Aviation.travel
I Look at passenger miles traveled by air and by auto and most people would rather fly.on long trips because flying is so much faster. Also, most of driving accidents happen close to home, again because most driving trips are short. Over half of traffic deaths are related to alcohol and drugs. Most air fatalities are caused by mechanical issues and pilot error. I will take my odds on flying on my long trips and driving defensively when I am on the road. In today's society, people are stupid and fly drones and shine lasers around planes in the vicinity of airports, but you also have idiots who shoot rifles and throw rocks at cars and trucks from overpasses. In my family, we have suffered one death on the roads and none in the air. Small sample, but follows the overall stats.
 
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I like planes, love flying, and watch almost any TV aviation show or movie. Especially shows analyzing military aerial combat. Not because I love war. Rather, it's the only way to see planes exhibit their full capacities. Air shows are great but even they don't air dance the way combat forces a plane to do so. But I avoid flying now. Mainly because at O'Hara, Atlanta, Dallas-Fort Worth, McCarran, and Charlotte/Douglas airports I witnessed pilots drinking cocktails at the airport bars, then boarding the planes to fly them. In two cases, a passenger alerted cops via cellphone (as opposed to the TSA) and the pilot was breath tested and removed from the plane. Thus I decided if a so-called professional who has the lives of several hundred people in his hands disrespects their safety, they were best avoided. In today's world, such disregard for common sense and professionalism is all too common on every level of society. So sadly now, I avoid flying. It's so bad that even right now Boeing ignored and lied about the fact their newest airliner was a safety hazard to crew and passengers.
Love aircraft also.. My favorite era is WWII warbirds..
 
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Love aircraft also.. My favorite era is WWII warbirds..

I take it like me you watch Battle 360. I like the WWII birds too. My favorites are the P-47 Thunderbolt, the P-51D Mustang, P-38 Lightning, FW-109, FW-190, F4U Chance Vought Corsair. AND almost all the too little too late German machines that would have changed history if they'd been available at least by early 1942. OK, fine, I liked all of them. Including the RC models. :)
 
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