The Impeachment Thread

#34,127
#34,127
Orangeburst said:
Lev Parnas Steps Back From Texts Alleging Surveillance Of U.S. Ambassador In Ukraine

Parnas was a political donor which gained him access to selfies with all sorts. Gonna have to do better with some evidence other than some selfies and stop perjuring himself already.

“Did you think you were friends?” Cooper asked.

“Absolutely, I mean again, I went from being a top donor, from being at all the events where we would just socialize, to becoming a close friend of Rudy Giuliani’s, to eventually becoming his ally and his asset on the ground in Ukraine,” Parnas said.

parnas-denies-speaking-directly-with-trump-despite-earlier-reports
Click to expand...
Once again, Trump proves these guys all wrong, and the backtracks of lies on them and the demon raps.
 
#34,131
#34,131
BowlBrother85 said:
Hillary busted some cross over voters by being a weak candidate. There was no strong Trump push beyond the 43% that would vote for a Republican regardless of who the candidate was.
Click to expand...

If 43% of voters are voting R regardless of the candidate you are in deeper trouble than you think. It's not going to be hard to convince 8% of the remaining voters that their pocketbook is better off under Trump than any of the Dem candidates.
 
  • Like
Reactions: vols40, SpaceCoastVol, volfanjustin and 2 others
#34,134
#34,134
hog88 said:
LOL

He's not going to speak up because if they follow the rules used during the Clinton trial as it looks like they will they will be following precedent. Plus he has no ****ing say in how the Senate conducts it's business so he has no reason to criticize them. Doing so would only harm his credibility.
Click to expand...
First there will be 51 Senators agree to allow for witnesses when they vote on rules. Once the rules are established the Presiding Officer (Roberts) will have the power to subpoena anyone he wishes. I believe this wording is important.

V. The presiding officer shall have power to make and issue, by himself or by the Secretary of the Senate, all orders, mandates, writs, and precepts authorized by these rules, or by the Senate, and to make and enforce such other regulations and orders in the premises as the Senate may authorize or provide.


https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/1_1868ImpeachmentRules.pdf
 
  • Like
Reactions: luthervol
#34,135
#34,135
hog88 said:
If 43% of voters are voting R regardless of the candidate you are in deeper trouble than you think. It's not going to be hard to convince 8% of the remaining voters that their pocketbook is better off under Trump than any of the Dem candidates.
Click to expand...

This is as honest as it gets .
 
#34,136
#34,136
BowlBrother85 said:
Hillary busted some cross over voters by being a weak candidate. There was no strong Trump push beyond the 43% that would vote for a Republican regardless of who the candidate was.
Click to expand...

I've seen multiple studies putting the % of people that voted Obama but moved to Trump at between 7 and 10% - they were part of the Obama coalition. The reason Trump didn't top 50% is he lost some from the R side
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64, vols40, 0nelilreb and 1 other person
#34,137
#34,137
Mick said:
First there will be 51 Senators agree to allow for witnesses when they vote on rules. Once the rules are established the Presiding Officer (Roberts) will have the power to subpoena anyone he wishes. I believe this wording is important.

V. The presiding officer shall have power to make and issue, by himself or by the Secretary of the Senate, all orders, mandates, writs, and precepts authorized by these rules, or by the Senate, and to make and enforce such other regulations and orders in the premises as the Senate may authorize or provide.


https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/1_1868ImpeachmentRules.pdf
Click to expand...

Exactly as I said. Roberts will have the authority to do only what the majority votes to allow him to do and even then they can change those rules at anytime with simple majority vote. Hence Roberts has no power or authority unless 51 senators grant him such.
 
  • Like
Reactions: vols40 and 0nelilreb
#34,138
#34,138
Mick said:
First there will be 51 Senators agree to allow for witnesses when they vote on rules. Once the rules are established the Presiding Officer (Roberts) will have the power to subpoena anyone he wishes. I believe this wording is important.
Click to expand...

you sure about that?

Senate can also vote to over rule Roberts
 
  • Like
Reactions: 0nelilreb
#34,139
#34,139
hog88 said:
If 43% of voters are voting R regardless of the candidate you are in deeper trouble than you think. It's not going to be hard to convince 8% of the remaining voters that their pocketbook is better off under Trump than any of the Dem candidates.
Click to expand...
Not following you at all... the percentage who vote Democratic regardless of the candidate, is actually larger. It's about 45%, but it's more concentrated in our nation's largest cities. I simply disagree with the last sentence and that has everything to do with Trump's character. It will not be hard to convince independents that Trump is a liar, and unfit to lead the country for a 2nd term. Finally, I would point to Trump's approval ratings on Real Clear Politics. In spite of having a strong economy to promote, Trump's Real Clear Politics average approval rating has still never been above the 46.2% that he was elected with. Trump has a low ceiling because he has failed to expand his base of support beyond the people who voted for him in 2016. That has everything to do with his character and morals (or lack thereof). He is a uniquely weak candidate in that regard. No other incumbent President with such a favorable economy would be below 50%.
 
  • Like
Reactions: luthervol
#34,142
#34,142
hog88 said:
Exactly as I said. Roberts will have the authority to do only what the majority votes to allow him to do and even then they can change those rules at anytime with simple majority vote. Hence Roberts has no power or authority unless 51 senators grant him such.
Click to expand...
I don't think you get to change the rules halfway through the game when you're about to lose. That's why the wording is important. If the rules allow for witnesses, Roberts can subpoena anyone he wants. That's my interpretation.
 
#34,143
#34,143
Mick said:
I don't think you get to change the rules halfway through the game when you're about to lose. That's why the wording is important. If the rules allow for witnesses, Roberts can subpoena anyone he wants. That's my interpretation.
Click to expand...

I don't think you understand.

The senate sets the rules, they can change the rules and Roberts can't even turn his microphone on unless the senate rules allow it.

If Roberts is granted the authority to issue a subpoena all it takes is 51 senators votes to remove that authority and cancel the subpoena. And there is no way in hell the senate is going to grant Roberts the power to issue subpoenas on his own.
 
  • Like
Reactions: vols40
#34,144
#34,144
Smokeyone said:
Solid empirical evidence of wrongdoing
Click to expand...

"Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law."

The truth is worse. The funds were not withheld for a policy reason, but for the personal, corrupt gain of "Drump Quid Pro Quo," who tried to clumsily bribe and extort his way in a second election.

G.A.O. Report Says Trump Administration Broke Law in Withholding Ukraine Aid
 
#34,147
#34,147
hog88 said:
I don't think you understand.

The senate sets the rules, they can change the rules and Roberts can't even turn his microphone on unless the senate rules allow it.

If Roberts is granted the authority to issue a subpoena all it takes is 51 senators votes to remove that authority and cancel the subpoena. And there is no way in hell the senate is going to grant Roberts the power to issue subpoenas on his own.
Click to expand...

My understanding is nobody has an understanding and for you to say you understand is laughable.
 
  • Like
Reactions: luthervol
#34,148
#34,148
Orangeburst said:
Just saying if it was 45% that never wavered , the Dems would never lose.
Click to expand...
That doesn't mean they always vote... if they vote, it's for a democrat. Turn out is always a major concern for democrats. For the most part, the Republican side does a better job of getting their base out... However, the democratic base did turn out in unusually high numbers for Obama, especially in 2008.
 
#34,149
#34,149
Orange_Crush said:
"Wrong" compared to what?
Click to expand...
That Trump was a political outsider who would "drain the swamp". Remember that chant? It was in every rally and rings hollow for a President who has had such people as Scott Pruitt, Tom Price, Ryan Zinke, Wilbur Ross, Betsy Devos and Elaine Chao in his cabinet.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mick
#34,150
#34,150
BowlBrother85 said:
That Trump was a political outsider who would "drain the swamp". Remember that chant? It was in every rally and rings hollow for a President who has had such people as Scott Pruitt, Tom Price, Ryan Zinke, Wilbur Ross, Betsy Devos and Elaine Chao in his cabinet.
Click to expand...
I'll wait to hear Luther's answer.

He rails that Trump is immoral, and horribly despicable, after making the argument that morals are relative and socially defined, but just before crying that society got it wrong by putting Trump in office.

It's all just a soft-minded way of acting like a baby because he didn't get his way. But I'll wait to hear Luther tell us how Trump can be despicably immoral in a morally relative universe.
 
  • Like
Reactions: volinsd and vols40
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement

Back
Top