JG just can’t play good

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JMSqb11 said:
You have literally claimed that Maurer will be a career backup at Tennessee
You have claimed that its JG or Bailey next year
You have claimed that JG will somehow benefit from a second year with Chaney but Maurer won't apparently. I'm sure you should tell the staff since you can predict the future.

You love to call out everyone for speculating, but you are spewing the most hot air out of anyone in the name of #Speculation
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You speculate wins and losses based on who plays and who doesn't, predicting who will play is simply studying the roster and their individual skill sets. You are comparing 2 totally different arguments.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I think deep down everyone knows how it's going to play out they just hate the thought of JG being QB1. I'm on record saying it'll be the JG/HB show going forward so we'll see who is right or not. If JG leaves it will be the HB/BM show with Bailey getting QB1 minutes the next 3 years.
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Not sure how you can trash Maurer so quickly. He has flashes. It’s hard to tell how he looks with an off-season under his belt. I can tell you we already know how JG looks with a few off seasons under his belt. It still ain’t pretty. Someone will beat him out I don’t care who it is. We will see some growing pains, but it’ll be worth it.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I think deep down everyone knows how it's going to play out they just hate the thought of JG being QB1. I'm on record saying it'll be the JG/HB show going forward so we'll see who is right or not. If JG leaves it will be the HB/BM show with Bailey getting QB1 minutes the next 3 years.
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No deep down I do not believe JG will be the starter. I think it will either be BM or HB as QB1 and if it is HB then BM transfers.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
A bit more than speculation. We’ve watched him for three years. I hate FL but we all saw them this year. If we can’t put together a much better offense it doesn’t happen. JG would have to make leaps and bounds, but we e already seen his ceiling. Best he could give us is better decision making. Your claim that he has the same arm talent as Maurer is silly. Anyone who has seen them throw can tell you that. However Maurer makes bad decisions as well. I’m not a Maurer fanboy. I hope HB is our answer and can start out if the gate. There will be pains, but it’s worth the risk if he’s as advertised. Time will tell. I just hope we have a starter that can make us relevant. I’m just realistic to know JG is not that
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We became relevant this year, whether we can sustain that or not is definitely in question but I think Pruitt and JG handle that hurdle next season as well. We beat Auburn on the road in '18 as an inexperienced team, no reason to think we can't do the same to an Ok team next year who will have a brand new QB with brand new receivers and a weak defense, and yes it's not out of the question to believe we can win that game with JG.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Please explain how you can guarantee what he will be doing in 2 years? Thanks!
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You moan and groan over stuff just to be moaning and groaning. I say he doesn't start at QB at a power5 school the next 2 years, I'm speculating, you obviously think he will play.
 
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volfan411 said:
I hope he isn’t because obviously a 5th year senior gives us our best chance at an East title but at this point I have no faith.
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Fair point, you've given up faith in a player and I have not, it can be that simple. I'm just not the type to give up on someone that is doing the best they can.
 
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volfan411 said:
I hope he isn’t because obviously a 5th year senior gives us our best chance at an East title but at this point I have no faith.
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Not necessarily. If HB is as advertised he could be on the field next year. It rarely happens but maybe we get the jackpot with this kid. It’s not like he has to be an complete all star his freshmen year to beat out JG. Just be average with flashes and a higher ceiling. If he’s that then it beats JG.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Not sure how you can trash Maurer so quickly. He has flashes. It’s hard to tell how he looks with an off-season under his belt. I can tell you we already know how JG looks with a few off seasons under his belt. It still ain’t pretty. Someone will beat him out I don’t care who it is. We will see some growing pains, but it’ll be worth it.
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Do you think BM was recruited to be the starting QB for UT?
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
You moan and groan over stuff just to be moaning and groaning. I say he doesn't start at QB at a power5 school the next 2 years, I'm speculating, you obviously think he will play.
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See so extreme with you. If I ask you to prove something, you claim I'm on the other side of things. If anyone criticizes JG with legit arguments (metrics / stats), someone is a Never JG NegaVol.

I don't know what the future holds. I've never claimed to do it. Is it possible JG could flip the switch? Sure. Historically, is that likely to happen? No. Especially with him losing 3 of his top 4 receivers.

You for some reason claim that Maurer is going to be a career backup in college because of his play in his true freshman year..... Some scout you are. You literally take things to the extreme as if there is no middle ground. But that is the trend today apparently. It is pathetic.
 
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volfan411 said:
I hope he isn’t because obviously a 5th year senior gives us our best chance at an East title but at this point I have no faith.
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Why do you say that? Just because he will be in his 5th year means he is the best to take us to a big season? Does talent not matter? Does IQ not matter? Does decision making not matter? Didn't Pruitt just spend this entire year starting tons of true freshmen and sophomores?
 
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beneVOLence said:
That is ironic. I didn’t know that. Almost hilarious, but sad at the same time.

I know a Psychologist that can’t get out of her house because of her Agoraphobia. Just strange that she can help others, but not herself.
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Fear of Agor is a rough ticket.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Why do you say that? Just because he will be in his 5th year means he is the best to take us to a big season? Does talent not matter? Does IQ not matter? Does decision making not matter? Didn't Pruitt just spend this entire year starting tons of true freshmen and sophomores?
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I am on your side in this but to me a fifth year player shouldn’t make the mistakes a 1st or 2nd year is going to make. I think we can all agree talent is not the issue with JG it is what goes on in his head. Is JG as talented as HB probably not but HB more than likely will go through growing pains.

I am on record as saying I do not think JG starts next year but the best case scenario for the fans would be him turn the corner and be the QB he has the potential to be.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
See so extreme with you. If I ask you to prove something, you claim I'm on the other side of things. If anyone criticizes JG with legit arguments (metrics / stats), someone is a Never JG NegaVol.

I don't know what the future holds. I've never claimed to do it. Is it possible JG could flip the switch? Sure. Historically, is that likely to happen? No. Especially with him losing 3 of his top 4 receivers.

You for some reason claim that Maurer is going to be a career backup in college because of his play in his true freshman year..... Some scout you are. You literally take things to the extreme as if there is no middle ground. But that is the trend today apparently. It is pathetic.
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We've recruited backup QBs for years, everyone does. What's pathetic is a fanbase saying we would be winning ballgames if only the backup QB got to play. Facts are that he got to play a bunch and the data shows, for whatever reasons, that he could not start, finish and win a football game in the SEC. The 4 year guy with experience proved that he can win games whether it be as starter or reliever.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
We've recruited backup QBs for years, everyone does. What's pathetic is a fanbase saying we would be winning ballgames if only the backup QB got to play. Facts are that he got to play a bunch and the data shows, for whatever reasons, that he could not start, finish and win a football game in the SEC. The 4 year guy with experience proved that he can win games whether it be as starter or reliever.
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JG is a low risk / low reward QB. He’s been that way for the two seasons under Pruitt. We were able to get away with that by leaning on our defense the second half of this year to just get bow eligible. Next year, we are 0-0. He’s not a QB you lean on when you are trying win a lot of games. He doesn’t have the talent or potential to consistently produce. Especially during the portions of our schedule where teams are much tougher than the rest of the schedule.

He has not made massive strides from week 1 in 2018 to 25 games later vs Indiana in the bowl. Pruitt will be going into year 3 which is when a lot of people, myself included, will be expecting a leap for the program and team as whole. And even if we don’t make that leap, it’s better to have a bad year with the QB’s of the future getting playing time than a bad year with a 5th year senior playing who has already hit his ceiling as a QB. We did it with a lot of different positions this year because guess why? Even if we didn’t go to a bowl game, we had tons of freshmen and sophomores playing a lot to get experience regardless if we go 7-5 or 4-8..... the experience matters in the long run. JG’s experience brings nothing to the table that suggests he’s going to turn it up to another level and be an all SEC /American type player.
 
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volfan411 said:
I am on your side in this but to me a fifth year player shouldn’t make the mistakes a 1st or 2nd year is going to make. I think we can all agree talent is not the issue with JG it is what goes on in his head. Is JG as talented as HB probably not but HB more than likely will go through growing pains.

I am on record as saying I do not think JG starts next year but the best case scenario for the fans would be him turn the corner and be the QB he has the potential to be.
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Got it. I also think Bailey will have growing pains. But guess what, those growing pains would happen in his true freshman year. Better for that than to have growing pains still happening for a 5th year senior with 25 starts under his belt. And I do think there is a talent issue with JG on top of the mental aspect.

I’m hoping anyone starts other than JG because while there is more risk with Bailey as a true freshman, there is more reward with him. He’s also going to be surrounded by guys he will have to play with for multiple years.

Even if it’s with Maurer or Shrout, it’s still better to lose with them than JG because Atleast it’s experience for the players for future seasons at QB.

The worst thing that can happen for Jeremy Pruitt’s seat is a season were we go 6-7 wins with JG getting most reps and our younger QB’s get no reps/playing time and then we roll into 2021 with 3 guys who have barely played.
 
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I respect the hell out of JG for all that he’s done here, but these questions need to be asked about him being the starter going forward:

Does he make the players around him better or do the guys around him make him look better?

Do Pruitt and Chaney have to coach around JG next year like they did so many times this year?

Do you have confidence that JG can put the team on his shoulders to beat an elite team when need be?

Should we be having all the discussion we are having in regards to a 5th year QB and his ability to lead the team versus giving the keys to Maurer or a true freshman?

I think these are legitimate questions to ask of your 5th year starting quarterback. If the answer is yes to the majority of these questions then there should be no hesitation with who the starter should be. Yet here we are having this discussion, which to me is very telling.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Do you think BM was recruited to be the starting QB for UT?
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I don’t think any of us know the answer to that question. I think if the coaches didn’t think it was a possibility they wouldn’t waste the time and resources on him. You never know with recruits. We’ve had some prized recruits do nothing special, and we’ve had some middle ground recruits play great ball for us. It’s hard to tell what these kids will do until they get the proper coaching and resources. You have no idea what the coaches were thinking when they recruited these kids. I don’t think for one second these coaches recruit kids thinking they’ll only be 3rd-4th string. If so then those coaches need to be fired. Of course coaches know some kids are more talented than others. But this is an elite football school, at least I hope we’re heading back in that direction. These coaches aren’t wasting recruiting time, effort, and scollies on kids that they think could never compete for positions at the university. If that’s what you’re saying, it makes 0 sense.
 
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