JG just can’t play good

[Woodlawn VOL]

He's improved statistically every season, his development is just fine and is on par with the rest of the team.

His consistency needs improving, stats don't mean everything and sometimes can be misleading. No he needs to improve in several areas. Not saying that Maurer's judgment needs to be better and Shrout consistency needs to improve. JG has to get the ball out quicker and often times still locks on to one receiver especially in the red zone area, he missed Gray at the pylon wide open when he went to wood-anderson and had other receivers open in the early possessions in the red zone and simply never looked off primary guy. The main reason JG started this year is because he does seem to know the offense better overall, his problem is what it has always been he often times does not look off receiver or is a second too late in getting the ball out of his hand. That gives nobody any reason to put down the effort and JG or any qb including Maurer and Shrout, who were on a shorter leash due to not knowing the offense as good and making ill advised throws into coverage. I thought both of them played well considering the limited amount of time given, and think they will for sure continue push JG. My point whoever is the starter is next year will have to better than any of them was this year. And I was at the south Carolina game and Shrout threw the prettiest touchdown pass off the day and maybe the year and all the qb's had a hand in that win. GBO!

 

[whodeycin85]

That doesn't imply that a team needs to score 29 points in each game to win. Let's look at some stats:

- Florida only needed to score > 28 in 2 of it's games to win.
- Georgia only needed to score > 28 in one game against LSU; It would have only taken 21 for them to beat SC and they no doubt would have still been in the CPF playoffs with only 1 loss
- Alabama needed to score > 28 in 4 games
- Ohio State needed to score > 28 in only 1 game, that was against Clemson
- Clemson could have scored 28 points and won every game; They actually could have scored just 24 points and won every game
- Oklahoma needed to score > 28 points in 5 games and in some of them a lot more

Yes there are some conferences where defense does not really exist so you see these wild and wacky offensive games where generally the last team with the ball wins. But in the SEC, generally the teams with the best defense wins more games.

Nice breakdown...

What the the avarage score in the SEC in all games?? If you know.

 

[volfan411]

I hope he stays but would not blame him if he left. The stupidity of some in our fan base has more than likely taken a huge toll on him and his family.

Hopefully the defense continues to improve - as I believe we are going to need it more than ever next year.

I am mixed I think we will need him early but believe he will be replaced by mid-season. I do not think he can get us to the next level but respect him for not giving up when most would have.

 

[FLVOL_79]

What QBs provided winning plays vs Indiana, Vandy, Ky, SC, Mizz, Miss St, UAB and Chatt St?

Stop moving the goal posts.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I hope he stays but would not blame him if he left. The stupidity of some in our fan base has more than likely taken a huge toll on him and his family.

Hopefully the defense continues to improve - as I believe we are going to need it more than ever next year.

You guys want a kid in JG who has laid it all on the line for 4 years for UT to transfer yet you get your panties in a wad over how a 1st year development player, never recruited to be a starter, who is probably going to be 3rd string as early as this spring has been treated, I think that shows stupidity in the fanbase.

 

[volfan102455]

Nice breakdown...

What the the avarage score in the SEC in all games?? If you know.

I don't know that. I just looked at the top teams because they obviously are doing something right to win games. Most, with the exception of gasp LSU and Oklahoma, seem to have defenses that limit what the opponent scores. Vandy scored 38 on LSU.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Yes, we will see. Everyone moaning about JG now are the same ones that said we would never beat UAB, SC, MIZZ, KY, Vandy or Indiana if JG played yet somehow we did. If we somehow beat Ok and FL early next year with JG playing QB what excuses will the neverJG crowd have then?

I guess we see what we want to see, depending on which side of the debate we fall on. One thing I watched, and listened to, was what those with no attachment to UT Football had to say. The tone was consistent. "Late to spot the open receiver"; "Doesn't see the entire field"; "Checks down way too often, and too soon"; "Hears footsteps in the pocket"; "Throws it away instead of running for what he can get". All season long.

And they're right. Like it or not, agree or not, they're right. I remember one play in particular in the first half of the bowl game. Vols are in the red zone. Pass play. JG rolls right. DWA is wide open at around the 5 yard line, right in front of JG. And JG makes a bad throw into the end zone. He never saw the TE running alone for an easy gain and maybe a TD. The Vols averaged, what...22 ppg on offense this year? Plays like that are what separates the Field Generals from the Fourth and Fours. JG is, unfortunately, the latter. It is what it is.

But we'll see what the 2020 season brings. 2nd year under Chaney. 3rd year under Pruitt. Better OL. Better depth. Talent at RB and WR. Should be a much-improved team.

JG has the opportunity to silence his critics once and for all. Or prove them right. So like I said, we'll see. I'm not beyond eating some crow; I've had to do it many times over the years. I just don't think this is going to be one of those times. But I'd much rather eat some crow than have to watch UT Football be less than it could because we simply don't have a QB who can elevate the entire offense with his play and leadership.

Although that QB is onboard, IMO. Might be two of them. So we'll see.

Go Vols.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Yes, we will see. Everyone moaning about JG now are the same ones that said we would never beat UAB, SC, MIZZ, KY, Vandy or Indiana if JG played yet somehow we did. If we somehow beat Ok and FL early next year with JG playing QB what excuses will the neverJG crowd have then?

We went 5-3 in conference games this season after coming off our worst 2 years, he was more than serviceable in the league. If he were as bad as you make it sound we would have gone 0-8 this year in SEC play. It's a stupid statement to say JG is not an SEC QB when the team went 5-3 in the toughest conference in the country and his stats, whether you like them or not were definitely top half in the SEC this year. The neverJG crowd can continue to moan about stats not meaning anything I could care less as I see EVERY SINGLE PROFESSIONAL TEAM IN EVERY SINGLE SPORT paying big money to analytics experts. Only people that hate stats are either dumb at math, have a son or daughter that sucks statistically in their respective sport or an ex high school player that thinks he should have got to play more even though his stats sucked. Production is everything in sports, JG produced better than any QB on our roster this season, not by a little but by a bunch.

Your missing the whole point. And a lot more up top I suspect. Listen I’m glad we won 8 games. But you act like we should be so happy. I called 7-8 preseason. Right where I figured we’d be. Of course I didn’t think we’d get those 8 the way we did dropping two early cupcake games. But we didn’t beat anyone we shouldn’t have and you act like we made some huge leap. We are not “fully rebuilding” as you like to think. The recruiting classes have kept coming in. We needed a coach. I think we got that. We needed a QB. We didnt have that this year. Stop boasting about winning games we should never lose anyway. The truth is we should’ve won a lot of these games by a lot, and in less dramatic fashion. JG puts us at a disadvantage nearly every game. IU should’ve been laughed off the field by half. That’s the point. I can’t get excited about JG beating Kentucky and candy. Sorry, these are teams we should be demolishing, and minus a QB we have the talent to do so. I guess your happy scraping by every year for a bowl with below average QB play. Good for you. TN is not a mediocre football school. By the way I never got your personal info so that we could wager. IF JG even starts next year, it won’t be for long. CJP has a full off season to settle BM a bit, who obviously has higher ceiling throwing and running, and time to develop a very good HB. He knows as well as anyone we need a better QB to further the program. Your gonna be devastated next year.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Nobody has ever said JG was consistent, lots have said he was much more consistent with his decision making than everybody else on the roster playing QB though.

JT has enough reps to get a good read in his capabilities. BM and JT have not and get yanked before they can even get into a good rhythm.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

His consistency needs improving, stats don't mean everything and sometimes can be misleading. No he needs to improve in several areas. Not saying that Maurer's judgment needs to be better and Shrout consistency needs to improve. JG has to get the ball out quicker and often times still locks on to one receiver especially in the red zone area, he missed Gray at the pylon wide open when he went to wood-anderson and had other receivers open in the early possessions in the red zone and simply never looked off primary guy. The main reason JG started this year is because he does seem to know the offense better overall, his problem is what it has always been he often times does not look off receiver or is a second too late in getting the ball out of his hand. That gives nobody any reason to put down the effort and JG or any qb including Maurer and Shrout, who were on a shorter leash due to not knowing the offense as good and making ill advised throws into coverage. I thought both of them played well considering the limited amount of time given, and think they will for sure continue push JG. My point whoever is the starter is next year will have to better than any of them was this year. And I was at the south Carolina game and Shrout threw the prettiest touchdown pass off the day and maybe the year and all the qb's had a hand in that win. GBO!

JG has improved every year, no reason to think he won't continue that trend next year. His development unfortunately is not happening at a pace to appease our neverJG NegaVol fans. Why are those same fans not ranting so viciously against Pruitt as it's the Coach that keeps running him out there. They don't rail on Pruitt over it because it would make them look foolish as its evident to lots of folks that Pruitt is a pretty damn good coach.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Your missing the whole point. And a lot more up top I suspect. Listen I’m glad we won 8 games. But you act like we should be so happy. I called 7-8 preseason. Right where I figured we’d be. Of course I didn’t think we’d get those 8 the way we did dropping two early cupcake games. But we didn’t beat anyone we shouldn’t have and you act like we made some huge leap. We are not “fully rebuilding” as you like to think. The recruiting classes have kept coming in. We needed a coach. I think we got that. We needed a QB. We didnt have that this year. Stop boasting about winning games we should never lose anyway. The truth is we should’ve won a lot of these games by a lot, and in less dramatic fashion. JG puts us at a disadvantage nearly every game. IU should’ve been laughed off the field by half. That’s the point. I can’t get excited about JG beating Kentucky and candy. Sorry, these are teams we should be demolishing, and minus a QB we have the talent to do so. I guess your happy scraping by every year for a bowl with below average QB play. Good for you. TN is not a mediocre football school. By the way I never got your personal info so that we could wager. IF JG even starts next year, it won’t be for long. CJP has a full off season to settle BM a bit, who obviously has higher ceiling throwing and running, and time to develop a very good HB. He knows as well as anyone we need a better QB to further the program. Your gonna be devastated next year.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda...that's how a child debates people. BMs days of being the starting QB at UT are going to be slim and none moving forward I feel.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

JG has improved every year, no reason to think he won't continue that trend next year. His development unfortunately is not happening at a pace to appease our neverJG NegaVol fans. Why are those same fans not ranting so viciously against Pruitt as it's the Coach that keeps running him out there. They don't rail on Pruitt over it because it would make them look foolish as its evident to lots of folks that Pruitt is a pretty damn good coach.

JGs numbers may have got a bit better but JG is still JG. Late throws, high throws, bad reads, panic. For 3 years now. I think CJP puts him out there because he thinks it’s the safest option right now. The only QB with experience coming in. The least of the evils as it goes. I am not a never JGer, but I know we need better to compete. CJP does to.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

BM making bad decisions is what kept JG on the field. If he fixes that in the off season the battle for QB1 will be between BM and HB.

What makes you believe he can fix making bad decisions in the next 5 months?

 

[whodeycin85]

JGs numbers may have got a bit better but JG is still JG. Late throws, high throws, bad reads, panic. For 3 years now. I think CJP puts him out there because he thinks it’s the safest option right now. The only QB with experience coming in. The least of the evils as it goes. I am not a never JGer, but I know we need better to compete. CJP does to.

Statistically he went from 4-1 td ration last season to 2-1 this season.

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Shoulda, woulda, coulda...that's how a child debates people. BMs days of being the starting QB at UT are going to be slim and none moving forward I feel.

No. Those are facts. With better QB play we have a much better team and record. Not sure how you even attempt to argue that. Your love affair for JG has clouded your common sense. BM would still be starting if not for injury. Honestly I dont care if it’s him or HB, just as long as it’s not the same old stale, stagnant, below average JG show. I thank him for what he did but it’s time to go. Hell he can stay. Just holding a clipboard.

There really is no debate. JG is mediocre at best and has hit his ceiling. That’s fact. This is more of us, the ones with sense trying to get you to open up your eyes. Regardless of your man crush, he’s not the answer if we want to compete at the top of our conference.

 

[OldandStillaVol]

I have been a JG critic but I hope he stays. Competition makes everyone better. He knows he has to play better to be the starter. If he can't improve, he's a capable back up. Whatever he decides, good luck to him.

 

[volfan411]

What makes you believe he can fix making bad decisions in the next 5 months?

What makes you think JG will become the consistent QB it takes to win in the SEC?

I am going to edit to say compete with the elite in the SEC. JG is a capable QB to beat the bottom feeders and teams that their rosters are depleted by injury. So what have you saw out of him that makes you think he will beat UF, UGA, Bama or Oklahoma next year?

BM was a true freshman who played in HS one year ago

 

[JMSqb11]

What makes you believe he can fix making bad decisions in the next 5 months?

It’s a thing called offseason. You know what all freshmen do between their seasons.

Maurer played like a true freshman. He will go thru his second offseason with Chaney and the S&C. Not saying he’s gonna go bonkers but at the end of the day, his baseline wasn’t bad for a true freshman that had constant injury issues. Not great either.

His problems are fixable as he has 3 more years left and he’s the one worth investing time in of our returning QB’s

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

What makes you think JG will fix his issues?

I don't think he's going to fix his issues entirely. His biggest issue is consistency and I can see that improving as he's improved in that category each year. The reason he plays over BM is because he's better at a bunch of the little things it takes to be QB1 in the SEC and he has every bit the arm talent Maurer has. All this BM has special arm talent and is super accurate is bunk. BM seems more concerned with his twitter account than he does being the starting QB at UT, his latest little Twitter fight with a HS kid is a beauty.

 

[volfan411]

It’s a thing called offseason. You know what all freshmen do between their seasons.

Maurer played like a true freshman. He will go thru his second offseason with Chaney and the S&C. Not saying he’s gonna go bonkers but at the end of the day, his baseline wasn’t bad for a true freshman that had constant injury issues. Not great either.

His problems are fixable as he has 3 more years left and he’s the one worth investing time in of our returning QB’s

I think any reasonable person would have to agree with this. BM was never recruited to be a starter this season, yet many want to judge him because he was forced into play by JG’s poor play.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

It’s a thing called offseason. You know what all freshmen do between their seasons.

Maurer played like a true freshman. He will go thru his second offseason with Chaney and the S&C. Not saying he’s gonna go bonkers but at the end of the day, his baseline wasn’t bad for a true freshman that had constant injury issues. Not great either.

His problems are fixable as he has 3 more years left and he’s the one worth investing time in of our returning QB’s

So we are going to play BM the next 3 years and then Bailey is going to come in and play his last 2 years of eligibility? That's another statement that will NEVER happen.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I think any reasonable person would have to agree with this. BM was never recruited to be a starter this season, yet many want to judge him because he was forced into play by JG’s poor play.

Nobody is judging him, he played like a Fr developmental player about as well as can be expected. What he didn't do was play better than expected which is what every coach hope's to have happen when they recruit a project player.

 

[volfan411]

I don't think he's going to fix his issues entirely. His biggest issue is consistency and I can see that improving as he's improved in that category each year. The reason he plays over BM is because he's better at a bunch of the little things it takes to be QB1 in the SEC and he has every bit the arm talent Maurer has. All this BM has special arm talent and is super accurate is bunk. BM seems more concerned with his twitter account than he does being the starting QB at UT, his latest little Twitter fight with a HS kid is a beauty.

I have said all along that my biggest issue with JG is consistency. He has one drive where he looks like an all-SEC player and two drives where he shouldn’t be on the field. Can he fix that over the spring? I sure hope so.

I think we have not seen enough of a healthy BM to have a fair evaluation of his ability. He does seem to have a the arm talent and running ability to be a very good QB but will he mature and grow into one. That is the million dollar question right now.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I have been a JG critic but I hope he stays. Competition makes everyone better. He knows he has to play better to be the starter. If he can't improve, he's a capable back up. Whatever he decides, good luck to him.

This is exactly how it should and will play out. He'll either hold onto the starting QB position or he won't but conventional wisdom says he'll start the season out as our starter and I'm hoping for another 6 wins in a row setting up a big showdown with the commies down in Al.

 

[JMSqb11]

So we are going to play BM the next 3 years and then Bailey is going to come in and play his last 2 years of eligibility? That's another statement that will NEVER happen.

Not all. I never said that once. Maurer has 3 years left. You see there’s a thing call eligibility. Maurer played this year so he goes from 4 years left to 3.

Same with JT. Now if you’re a coach and you have 3 guys that 3 years left each and one guy who has one year left and all of them are about the same, why would you choose to waste time on the 1year guy over the other 3. Their ceiling is higher. They will be around longer.

Why would you risk your third year being another stressful year with the guy who historically is low reward/low risk over the other options.

I hope Maurer plays for 3 years. It means he has played well. However, we shouldn’t waste time on a QB who has shown he can’t improve / flip the switch when we have other guys who now have experience and aren’t that far away from JG.