2020 qb comparison/talk/debate (merged)

[tbones0711]

Bailey will have it between the ears. These coaches are paid well and they see the same things we see and likely lots more. Bailey can already do the things JG can't. Quicker release, more accurate, and throw the receiver open. Has good pocket presence like PM did and P.Ramsey demonstrated last night in eluding our rush. What did JG do on the blitz? Attempt to pass. To who. We don't know cause the ball was intercepted about 5-7 yds. downfield. What does a good QB do in that situation? Fall down and clutch the ball tightly or if he can buy a couple of seconds throw the ball away. For some reason JG has never been able to sense the pocket collapsing. In the long run it's gonna be what it's gonna be. If JG stays at UT it'll be okay. Already proven to be a solid back-up. It's his decision.

 

[77' Vol]

Mauer looks like a high school kid out there. He needs to add some size and strength so that he isn't injured so often. It appears he has good wheels but needs to be durable too. Nice to have him as a back up regardless of who wins the starting job.

 

[rikberry31]

A simple question: In what world can other SEC teams turn loose true freshmen / RS freshmen quarterbacks and roll with the punches, but for some reason it would be a world class sin for Tennessee to do it?

If they’re ready. We played several true freshman this year. Happens that both of our young qbs weren’t ready for prime time. Frankly JG was thrown before he was ready and it dogs him to this day. Let football people make football decisions.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I counted at least 8 times last night when JG and BM did not see a wide open back or WR in order to try to force a throw elsewhere into double/triple coverage. We could barely get away with that against a mediocre Big 10 team - those throws are INTs against UGA, Bama, UF

 

[MWAVolfan]

Harrison Bailey will be the starter. He's special.

JG is 100%for a fact the starter unless he blows up again. They will protect Baileys redshirt at all costs or unless all the other QBs are hurt dead or transfered.

 

[TJSVOLS]

I’ve seen enough from JG to be eager for something new. Not sold on any of them but have high hopes for HB. I’d expect Shrout to hit the portal soon and he might not be solo.

Yep, HB better be the real deal or it's just more of the same next year.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Well off season officially starts today to lets get started with a topic we will probably see 100 more threads on: Is JG the starting QB for 2020 ?

Why 'YES' : He is senior. He is experienced and seems like getting on same page with Chaney. JG has shown some nice deep ball skills and knows the playbooks, adjustments, checks better than others on the roster. We will be facing OU on the road early in the season and good to have an experienced QB.

Why 'NO' : He is inconsistent, almost bi-polar as QB. Still seems to miss wide open receivers on reads (saw miss two receivers that could have given us 1st down on third trip to red zone yesterday). We know his ceiling and its not very high.

I like the kid. Tough and gritty but I doubt he will take us past 8 wins.

Your thoughts ??

He looks like a normal kid, without a lot of talent, who has been trained to play way past his natural abilities. Since he does not have natural talent as a base, his highs and lows are very steep and makes inconsistent. Actually, to have the season he had is pretty incredible considering. I am sure the entire coaching staff wants someone back there that is more dependable and that they can trust will not make game changing mistakes in pressure situations. Competition will be wide open in spring.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

You’ll feel differently when you're looking at another 6-6 or 7-5 season next year. In fact you SHOULD be looking at it that way NOW. Had Pruitt held a qb competition in the off season and ALLOWED BM to compete instead of publicly criticizing him there’s no doubt in my mind the game slows down for him by UF. The commentators were well aware of who the coaching staff thinks is the most talented qb and it wasn’t JG. I gotta be honest and tell you it was refreshing to hear the truth for once.

Lol, so now BMs development or lack thereof by this staff is the main factor for the Vols having a successful '20 season. What a crock of stinky crap. Hey Vol fans, let's all listen to this yahoo because he says Pruitt has destined us for mediocrity because he's refused to keep Maurer in ballgames.

 

[LAVol1]

Well off season officially starts today to lets get started with a topic we will probably see 100 more threads on: Is JG the starting QB for 2020 ?

Before last night's game, I would have said yes, without question. I've done a 360. IMO, it would be best for the program if Pruitt said, "As of this point in time, JG will not be our starting QB in 2020." If he does not, we stand to lose Mauer and Shrout, which will leave us very thin at QB. I have defended JG up till last night, but he was really, really bad--inexcusably bad. With some coaching and experience, Mauer or Shrout should be at least as good and very likely better. No telling how good Bailey will be, and if he wins the starting job, we'll be really thin at QB when Mauer and Shrout transfer. For you Mauer supporters, I haven't seen anything to make me think he can get it done, either. He's really reckless with the ball. He should have been picked twice last night with 3 passes thrown. That would have brought his season total to 7 int.-- an int. for every 5 competitions. As of right now, he has 1 int./7 completions. Pretty sad QB situation we have right now.

 

[MikeVol44]

JG is 100%for a fact the starter unless he blows up again. They will protect Baileys redshirt at all costs or unless all the other QBs are hurt dead or transfered.

Nope....just disagree.

Can't afford to go 7-5 next year....need 8-4 to be worst case.....10-2 best case...

No way JG will get us there.

 

[JMSqb11]

JG is 100%for a fact the starter unless he blows up again. They will protect Baileys redshirt at all costs or unless all the other QBs are hurt dead or transfered.

He just blew up in the bowl game. Had he had a big game, I would agree with you. Open competition this offseason.

 

[savannahfan]

I have tried to like JG....but the kid is just too inconsistent....and inaccurate...

I thought that Chaney adjusted to IU's defense too slow last night...
The Indiana coach made it clear that their plan on D was to "keep everything in front of them."
Chaney just failed to take advantage of those underneath throws in the first half and most of the 2nd half--especially in the red zone.

JG did have some open receivers in the red zone in the first half and failed to get 'em the ball where it could be caught.
Last night was JG's opportunity to shine.....and he just cannot do it consistently.
Time to move on.....and yes--I've flip-flopped on this during the season.
I honestly want to believe in him--but he is just too inconsistent to earn trust.

Bailey is an EE and they better work their collective butts off to get him ready to play as a FR.
I hope that Maurer stays, but if he doesn't, we will have a competition between Bailey, Shrout, and Hill.

GO VOLS.

I think Chaney saw "it was not JG's night". What could he do? Not much if he didn't trust his QB. A damned if I do and damned if I don't situation. I think he decided Damn! I won't. I just hope for a miracle.

 

[savannahfan]

No clue. HB may be the biggest bust ever. JG may decide to quit football. BM may have a great off-season....or may transfer.

I have no idea what QB will look like next season

It just dawned on me what a BM really is..... I fear,,,,, well lets just "hope not".

 

[VolInNW]

Here is a good rule of life that modern OCs just can't accept:

When life puts you first and goal from the 2........

RUN. THE. BALL!!!!!!!

22 Personnel. Jumbo Package. Pound the Rock. DON'T OVERTHINK IT!!!

 

[savannahfan]

JG is 100%for a fact the starter unless he blows up again. They will protect Baileys redshirt at all costs or unless all the other QBs are hurt dead or transfered.

Not again STILL BLOWING UP is more like it.

 

[NighthawkVol]

A simple question: In what world can other SEC teams turn loose true freshmen / RS freshmen quarterbacks and roll with the punches, but for some reason it would be a world class sin for Tennessee to do it?

Exactly. Lawrence did it at Clemson. Fromm did it at Georgia. Hurts did it at Bama. All took their teams to National Championship games. I know the retort: "they had more talent around them." Okay. But they still performed really well. If Bailey doesn't take his team to the NC game because there's not as much talent around him, but instead leads the Vols to 9-10 wins, I think I'm okay with that.

Also, Bailey is an EE. That's a huge advantage for freshmen QBs. Especially ones who are already as advanced as he is.

 

[JT3]

Originally I thought we should RS Bailey but now we need a wide open competition going into the spring and I'm hoping Bailey wins the job. I think that kid is the missing piece.

 

[hog88]

He holds on to the ball too long, how many analysts have we heard that from, some being ex NFL QBs, it has always been his weakest link. Some of the timing routes missed last night especially in the redzone are indicative of his tenure here, late.

Holding the ball too long, not throwing his receivers open is JGs achilles heel. So it's either Wienke just isn't a good QB coach or JG can't grasp the concept.

 

[Pride85]

He looks like a normal kid, without a lot of talent, who has been trained to play way past his natural abilities. Since he does not have natural talent as a base, his highs and lows are very steep and makes inconsistent. Actually, to have the season he had is pretty incredible considering. I am sure the entire coaching staff wants someone back there that is more dependable and that they can trust will not make game changing mistakes in pressure situations. Competition will be wide open in spring.

Huh? He was one of the highest rated QBs in the country. 4-star (star children unite) and the number 1 rated dual threat in the country. All you star children can't say he is bad because the rating services can't be wrong. I don't think anyone understands just how the chaos of the four years he has been here have destroyed what ability he had when he started. He was mashed, mangled and mauled behind some of the worst Offensive lines in UT history. His confidence, whatever it was before, was obliterated. Saying he does not have natural talent is a bit short sighted. He may not be the at a level he needs to be right now, but there are reasons beyond abilities to explain some of it.

 

[allvol123]

JG will not start. As far as predictions, I am as confident in this one as any I'd make.

 

[KBVol]

Well off season officially starts today to lets get started with a topic we will probably see 100 more threads on: Is JG the starting QB for 2020 ?

Why 'YES' : He is senior. He is experienced and seems like getting on same page with Chaney. JG has shown some nice deep ball skills and knows the playbooks, adjustments, checks better than others on the roster. We will be facing OU on the road early in the season and good to have an experienced QB.

Why 'NO' : He is inconsistent, almost bi-polar as QB. Still seems to miss wide open receivers on reads (saw miss two receivers that could have given us 1st down on third trip to red zone yesterday). We know his ceiling and its not very high.

I like the kid. Tough and gritty but I doubt he will take us past 8 wins.

Your thoughts ??

1. He’s an awful deep ball passer....of course he also can throw flare passes to running backs and he’s usually off target with slants and intermediate routes.

2. With another year the younger QBs should understand Chaneys offense and checks just as well, and they’re more talented than him

3. Tennessee needs a reliable, consistent QB that can be counted on to put the offense in the best situations possible....after 3 years of JG, especially this year, it’s clear he can’t be that guy. Need to move on from him.

4. No chance in hell that we’ll ever sniff beating Florida, Georgia and Bama with Guarantano at QB.

 

[JMSqb11]

Exactly. Lawrence did it at Clemson. Fromm did it at Georgia. Hurts did it at Bama. All took their teams to National Championship games. I know the retort: "they had more talent around them." Okay. But they still performed really well. If Bailey doesn't take his team to the NC game because there's not as much talent around him, but instead leads the Vols to 9-10 wins, I think I'm okay with that.

Also, Bailey is an EE. That's a huge advantage for freshmen QBs. Especially ones who are already as advanced as he is.

Hell Bo Nix even had a decent freshman year with a win vs Bama

 

[NighthawkVol]

Hell Bo Nix even had a decent freshman year with a win vs Bama

Exactly. And Harrison Bailey is better than Bo Nix.

 

[KBVol]

Huh? He was one of the highest rated QBs in the country. 4-star (star children unite) and the number 1 rated dual threat in the country. All you star children can't say he is bad because the rating services can't be wrong. I don't think anyone understands just how the chaos of the four years he has been here have destroyed what ability he had when he started. He was mashed, mangled and mauled behind some of the worst Offensive lines in UT history. His confidence, whatever it was before, was obliterated. Saying he does not have natural talent is a bit short sighted. He may not be the at a level he needs to be right now, but there are reasons beyond abilities to explain some of it.

Guarantano has a strong arm and that’s about it. Struggles with touch on short swing passes, is wildly inaccurate on intermediate passes and throws a very poor deep ball.

And clearly, since Guarantano is one of the poorest running/scrambling quarterbacks we’ve ever had, that evaluation of him as a top-rated “dual threat” QB was completely wrong and invalid. And obviously, he’s not played anywhere near a 4 star QB since being at Tennessee. Last year he did some good things and was a bright spot in some of the games, particularly vs Auburn and Kentucky. This year, he completely regressed to the mess we saw he was last night.

 

[rikberry31]

Here is a good rule of life that modern OCs just can't accept:

When life puts you first and goal from the 2........

RUN. THE. BALL!!!!!!!

22 Personnel. Jumbo Package. Pound the Rock. DON'T OVERTHINK IT!!!

We did that a couple times as I recall.