2020 qb comparison/talk/debate (merged)

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1vol8 said:
You can hit me with as many articles as you like. Call me dishonest or call me a leftist for all I care. Under the salary cap NO team stays that good for that long without some kind of “shady” practices imo. Let’s not forget that Belicheck got fired from the Cleveland Browns because he couldn’t win. So don’t tell me he’s the best that’s ever lived when he’s already proved no better than the revolving door in Ohio. I can promise you I’ve done more research on this scandal than most, especially Patriot fans because truth is they don’t WANT to know.

I’m not going to go through the entire post and pick what I care to debate because there’s quite a bit. So I’ll point you in the best direction I know of to take care of it for me. There’s a video that’s now on YouTube that you can look up if you chose that will make you wish you hadn’t spent so much time telling me how “dishonest” I am because it’s time you’ll never get back. It’s called “spygate, the untold story”. There was much more going on behind the scenes than we know as told by FORMER (the reason that’s caps will be explained in the video) employees and reporters of the NFL. Which is why Goodell came down so hard on “deflate gate”. You may be surprised at his own involvement as well.

Stories such as this have a tendency of circumstances not adding up over the course of time. The reason I researched it like I did because of that fact and I found many articles such as yours expressing the exact opposite of what you sent me but they didn’t “connect the dots” of overall circumstances. This video did. So I chose to believe every word like you have chosen to believe it was only hand signals.
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There is even less substance in your post above than in the first one. Now you're down to, "They couldn't have won that consistently for that long being honest," which is as flimsy as logic can ever possibly be.

Belichick took the Browns to the playoffs, so no, he wasn't just another loser at Cleveland - they're just run by idiots, now more than ever.

The Colts stole signals for longer than the Patriots were ever accused of; I linked to proof of such that is a lot sounder than any proof you provided. None other than Deion Sanders states unequivocally that the Colts did it for years and everyone in the league knew they were doing it. The link I provided also has direct quotes from Tony Dungy where he admits stealing signals but then tries to rationalize it by saying it wasn't cheating because people had been doing it for many years.

Just the fact that your beloved Colts did more egregiously than the Pats, what you're hanging your argument against the Pats on, completely invalidates your case against them. No wonder you chose not to address the Colts' cheating - you know it makes you look foolish.
 
#628
#628
1vol8 said:
So it’s true even though no one has ever heard him say that huh? No chance it never happened at all? No chance that maybe JJ is only supporting his coaches decision? 🤔. Your response to this should be interesting.
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I saw nothing saying BM energized the team during our WINS. He gave a spark for a quarter.

This interview doesn't change the fact that it was reported that several times different players went to Pruitt to say that JG was the guy we need at qb. Stats and results proved them right.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So we have a QB that cant make plays unless there is 8 in the box.. See the issue dipsey...try to stir the pot somewhere else your ignorance is showing
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Who is that? Maurer? He only threw the tds when the box was stacked and they didn't respect the pass with a super stacked box. When teams semi respected his passing he didn't throw one more TD the rest of the season.
 
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k-town_king said:
Who is that? Maurer? He only threw the tds when the box was stacked and they didn't respect the pass with a super stacked box. When teams semi respected his passing he didn't throw one more TD the rest of the season.
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Your all about bashing the kid... get a life man. He wasnt in on that convo
 
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whodeycin85 said:
The camera showed several times frustration on JJ face..

Also im pretty sure it was calloway that went into CJP office. But i havent seen it written anywhere
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I think it was jennings but probably was said because of Pruitt's suggestion to build jg confidence up. Jennings expressions on the field showed frustration that jg couldn't get him the ball.
 
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cgrish said:
I think it was jennings but probably was said because of Pruitt's suggestion to build jg confidence up. Jennings expressions on the field showed frustration that jg couldn't get him the ball.
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I think honestly for UT to take the next step CJP needs to lose the old school way of thinking...if anything we learned that offense is taking the lead on what wins championships....defenses now giving up 28 or less is a good day to a good team of course
 
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bluetick2 said:
Those are your words, jack.

My point is to illustrate the utter incompetence of JG, despite what you think.

Isnt that the point of a comparison? To compare 2 things that are fairly similar, yet are different(like 2 college quarterbacks)???
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And burrows play this year is dramatic improvement from last year. This shows what game expierence does with just one year game expierence. Imo if shrout or maurer were given the chance this year we would also see dramatic improvement in their play next year. Jg has already reached his ceiling
 
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lifeisdeep said:
There is even less substance in your post above than in the first one. Now you're down to, "They couldn't have won that consistently for that long being honest," which is as flimsy as logic can ever possibly be.

Belichick took the Browns to the playoffs, so no, he wasn't just another loser at Cleveland - they're just run by idiots, now more than ever.

The Colts stole signals for longer than the Patriots were ever accused of; I linked to proof of such that is a lot sounder than any proof you provided. None other than Deion Sanders states unequivocally that the Colts did it for years and everyone in the league knew they were doing it. The link I provided also has direct quotes from Tony Dungy where he admits stealing signals but then tries to rationalize it by saying it wasn't cheating because people had been doing it for many years.

Just the fact that your beloved Colts did more egregiously than the Pats, what you're hanging your argument against the Pats on, completely invalidates your case against them. No wonder you chose not to address the Colts' cheating - you know it makes you look foolish.
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You gotta find the video and listen. If you’re unwilling to step to my side and do so then this is just a dead horse. I don’t care about stealing signals. I care about the deeper issue and that’s why I feel how I do. I assure you if you listen to it, no matter what side you’re on, you’ll understand my position on it. If you don’t you’ll continue to feel that I’m clueless.

Ps.... I’m a diehard Cowboy fan. Not a Colt fan. Therefore I have no “added” reasoning to hate the Patriots. My personal connection to the Colts goes no farther than Peyton Manning.
 
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k-town_king said:
I saw nothing saying BM energized the team during our WINS. He gave a spark for a quarter.

This interview doesn't change the fact that it was reported that several times different players went to Pruitt to say that JG was the guy we need at qb. Stats and results proved them right.
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It was never reported that “several” players did anything. The report was JJ and JJ only went to Pruitts office and told him JG gives us the best chance to win. YOU claim “several” from THAT report. Which I’m sure surprises no one given your history of false/made up accusations. The point is NO ONE actually HEARD JJ say anything at all yet you claim it’s true because it fits YOUR narrative. The only thing that anyone HAS heard him say is just the opposite in the interview above. Although even in such an interview you still should take what they say with a grain of salt because they as players are not going against their coaches decisions to the media. So no matter what they say it doesn’t mean that’s how they TRULY feel as an individual. Believe it or not I know for a fact that the felling is divided. That’s not just an opinion but logical thinking should tell you the same.
 
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k-town_king said:
Who is that? Maurer? He only threw the tds when the box was stacked and they didn't respect the pass with a super stacked box. When teams semi respected his passing he didn't throw one more TD the rest of the season.
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They rushed 4 on his long ball to Calloway. Which means he threw the first td against coverage. They stacked the box on his on his td to Jennings. Which means he threw his second against a blitz. So there goes that theory if he threw tds against both a stacked box and coverage. The rest of the season you talk about he had us in scoring position with nearly every drive in very limited action with his passing because the run game hasn’t been all that great until Vandy and I’m not sure how many credit JG for that win over Eric Gray.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Talk with JG to please. He is ready for the NFL need an agent!!!!
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Some of y'all have to come to grips with the reality that while he played like hot garbage and was a huge factor in the problems the offense had early in the year.....

That team doesn't win some of these games down the stretch with another QB on that roster.
 
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cgrish said:
And burrows play this year is dramatic improvement from last year. This shows what game expierence does with just one year game expierence. Imo if shrout or maurer were given the chance this year we would also see dramatic improvement in their play next year. Jg has already reached his ceiling
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That literally makes no sense. Burrow to JG is the only comparison. Burrow was a redshirt JR who had numbers like JG this year even though he played more. The year he broke out he was a redshirt Sr.

If you are looking for a Burrow type breakout JG is the only candidate we have. Burrow went from Jr with 16 TDS to this great year. He wasn't a freshman who completed less than 50%.
 
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#643
BigOrangeMojo said:
Seriously, what's the point of this? JG has his flaws for sure but his toughness and desire to win isn't among those flaws....
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TJSVOLS said:
I guess it makes him feel better about his self. Really pathetic...
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99gator said:
Some of y'all have to come to grips with the reality that while he played like hot garbage and was a huge factor in the problems the offense had early in the year.....

That team doesn't win some of these games down the stretch with another QB on that roster.
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Man. I cant win. I was encouraging him to test his skill and go pro. And i get flamed. I show hez not a good QB and get flamed. Yall like a crazy GF here. No point of view good enough for volnation
 
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k-town_king said:
That literally makes no sense. Burrow to JG is the only comparison. Burrow was a redshirt JR who had numbers like JG this year even though he played more. The year he broke out he was a redshirt Sr.

If you are looking for a Burrow type breakout JG is the only candidate we have. Burrow went from Jr with 16 TDS to this great year. He wasn't a freshman who completed less than 50%.
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Um burrow threw 38 collegiate passes before putting up JG numbers. Lol. Thats the point he is making... JG threw what 10x that...
 
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#645
BigOrangeMojo said:
Seriously, what's the point of this? JG has his flaws for sure but his toughness and desire to win isn't among those flaws....
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When JG stated he didn't care if he started or not, I realized his desire for the team to win was real, he had to be pretty tough to admit that.
 
#646
#646
whodeycin85 said:
I think honestly for UT to take the next step CJP needs to lose the old school way of thinking...if anything we learned that offense is taking the lead on what wins championships....defenses now giving up 28 or less is a good day to a good team of course
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Defense wins. The Clemson /Ohio State proved that and the same will probably happen in the championship. Nobody wins it all without playing defense.
In the RPO era teams on average are scoring more but good defense still trumps good offense in any era.
 
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#647
rikberry31 said:
Defense wins. The Clemson /Ohio State proved that and the same will probably happen in the championship. Nobody wins it all without playing defense.
In the RPO era teams on average are scoring more but good defense still trumps good offense in any era.
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Offenses have been consistently scoring more and more i believe the average is over 30 points a game...so a good defense can hold a team between 21 and 28 and be considered good...but that is not good if your offense cant do the same...

Also using 2 teams that comhined for over 900 total yards is not a good argument for good defense
 
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#648
whodeycin85 said:
Offenses have been consistently scoring more and more i believe the average is over 30 points a game...so a good defense can hold a team between 21 and 28 and be considered good...but that is not good if your offense cant do the same...

Also using 2 teams that comhined for over 900 total yards is not a good argument for good defense
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It is all relative to the era and the rules of that era. The increase in scoring of late is due to the exploitation of allowing lineman to be 3-5 yards down field by the RPO offenses. Even if 28 is the new 14, defense still decides championships.
As far as yards gained, the new strategy to combat the RPO I have noticed is to stuff the run with the front seven and the secondary playing contain. This leaves a soft spot for shorter routes.
This strategy will yield yards and TOP, its aim is to prevent RAK and deep explosive plays.
Once the field is shortened, the secondary presses the receivers more and tightens up.
 
#649
#649
whodeycin85 said:
Um burrow threw 38 collegiate passes before putting up JG numbers. Lol. Thats the point he is making... JG threw what 10x that...
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He was a redshirt Junior you Einstein. Then he had a great Sr season.

Not a guy who had a breakout sophomore year after a bad freshman year.
 
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k-town_king said:
He was a redshirt Junior you Einstein. Then he had a great Sr season.

Not a guy who had a breakout sophomore year after a bad freshman year.
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Isnt your hero a RS JR...yes. the difference was JG has 2 seasons of experience and only produced the same as a guy that took 38 snaps. That, EINSTEIN is the point....JG has reached his ceiling which is what he said....im sorry you have so much trouble following thing.
 
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