CFP.....deep thoughts

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CrybabyVol said:
It's a sterling example of why we don't need eight teams in the playoff. I actually think last night provided a better road map. Have a three-team playoff where one team gets a bye and two teams do a play in. With three, you eliminate the argument that out of two teams neck and neck one got left out. Whether it's eight or four, there's always going to be that argument anyway.
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Could not disagree more. I think opening the playoffs to 8 teams would only improve college football as a whole. Make the 5 power conference winners automatic bids and have 3 at larges based on ranking. This would make winning your conference title much more meaningful and would allow for some "Cinderella" teams a shot. I'm 1000% in favor of expanding to 8 teams.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Could not disagree more. I think opening the playoffs to 8 teams would only improve college football as a whole. Make the 5 power conference winners automatic bids and have 3 at larges based on ranking. This would make winning your conference title much more meaningful and would allow for some "Cinderella" teams a shot. I'm 1000% in favor of expanding to 8 teams.
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Why would you give an "automatic bid?" So you are fully admitting that you want a model that doesn't aspire to put the eight best teams in? You are giving someone a ticket to the playoff based on what happens in one game? You'd have put Virginia in automatically had they beaten Clemson in an upset? You think three-loss Pac 12 champion should get in automatically over a SEC team whose only loss was in the conference championship? That just doesn't make any sense. All your model does is just create more games for the sake of creating games. If that's ultimately your goal and you just want to watch football, then that's fine.
 
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CrybabyVol said:
Why would you give an "automatic bid?" So you are fully admitting that you want a model that doesn't aspire to put the eight best teams in? You are giving someone a ticket to the playoff based on what happens in one game? You'd have put Virginia in automatically had they beaten Clemson in an upset? You think three-loss Pac 12 champion should get in automatically over a SEC team whose only loss was in the conference championship? That just doesn't make any sense. All your model does is just create more games for the sake of creating games. If that's ultimately your goal and you just want to watch football, then that's fine.
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You must have missed the part where I said put in 3 at larges.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
You must have missed the part where I said put in 3 at larges.
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I absolutely did not. That's not the point. The point is under your model you are giving automatic bids to teams that potentially have no business being in the discussion. They may be in a bad division, have eeked into a conference championship, and then pulled an unlikely upset. You want that team to "automatically" get into the playoff. That doesn't make a lick of sense if we are wanting the eight best teams in a playoff. Then there's the problem of awarding an "automatic" bid to under achieving conferences. So the Pac 12 (every year) is going to have a team "automatically" get in? One of these three loss washingtons/utahs/oregons, etc. That doesn't make any sense whether there's a safety net for having three at larges. Every year your model is going to put one or two teams in automatically that don't have the resume to be in there.
 
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Vol524 said:
Just remember Butch told TL he didn't want him and that he would not fit in with our system. Butch is a football moron. I truly hope HB can take the next step to greatness.
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Well, to be honest, he wouldn’t. Most wouldn’t. I’m not even sure Butch knows what exactly his system is.
 
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CrybabyVol said:
I absolutely did not. That's not the point. The point is under your model you are giving automatic bids to teams that potentially have no business being in the discussion. They may be in a bad division, have eeked into a conference championship, and then pulled an unlikely upset. You want that team to "automatically" get into the playoff. That doesn't make a lick of sense if we are wanting the eight best teams in a playoff. Then there's the problem of awarding an "automatic" bid to under achieving conferences. So the Pac 12 (every year) is going to have a team "automatically" get in? One of these three loss washingtons/utahs/oregons, etc. That doesn't make any sense whether there's a safety net for having three at larges. Every year your model is going to put one or two teams in automatically that don't have the resume to be in there.
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Outliers can happen, sure. But you know as well as I do that in MOST cases the best teams in the country win their conferences. The 3 "at larges" would act as a fail safe in case any of the more deserving teams is upset in their conference championship. I'm so sick of seeing the same 4 or 5 teams playing in this thing year in and year out. At least expanding it to 8 would give me some new ones to watch.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Outliers can happen, sure. But you know as well as I do that in MOST years the best teams in the country win their conferences. The 3 "at larges" would act as a fail safe in case one of the more deserving teams is upset in their conference championship.
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No. I completely disagree. I don't think a pac 12 champion is better than Alabama or Georgia. I don't think Oklahoma is better than Alabama or Georgia. There should never, ever be a scenario where a team "automatically" gets in the playoffs. That's ludicrous. We just disagree. That's fine. As a side, playoffs just dilute the regular season more. That's why nobody talks about the NBA until after the NFL draft.
 
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CrybabyVol said:
No. I completely disagree. I don't think a pac 12 champion is better than Alabama or Georgia. I don't think Oklahoma is better than Alabama or Georgia. There should never, ever be a scenario where a team "automatically" gets in the playoffs. That's ludicrous. We just disagree. That's fine. As a side, playoffs just dilute the regular season more. That's why nobody talks about the NBA until after the NFL draft.
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You just made my point. If we had an expanded playoffs, a team like Georgia or Alabama wouldve gotten in on one of the 3 at large spots, despite not winning the SEC this year.
 
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Que Sara, Sara, whatever will be will be...gonna just sit back and soak it all in with whatever happens...and as always...

GO BIG ORANGE...BEAT THE HOOSIERS!
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
You just made my point. If we had an expanded playoffs, a team like Georgia or Alabama wouldve gotten in, despite not winning the SEC this year.
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No. You just made mine. Oklahoma gets in automatically in your system (shouldn't even call it your system. you are just parroting what some radio and espn hosts want) when there are other teams that are more deserving and have to rely on a wild card. You just completely have proven what I have been typing for the last thirty minutes.

And it's interesting in this last post, you frame your desire as an "expanded playoff" and leave out the "automatic" bids.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Could not disagree more. I think opening the playoffs to 8 teams would only improve college football as a whole. Make the 5 power conference winners automatic bids and have 3 at larges based on ranking. This would make winning your conference title much more meaningful and would allow for some "Cinderella" teams a shot. I'm 1000% in favor of expanding to 8 teams.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree.
More teams will just mean more bad games like the LSU/OU game.
This year 3 teams legitimately had claims to being called the best, but we had to fill the 4th spot with fodder so we debate over 3-5 teams that were next in line, we knew they weren’t the best but we have to fill the spot.
How many semi final games have been competitive as opposed to blow outs?
Let’s leave Cinderella to men’s BB
 
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PhoenixAZVol said:
- elite QBs win championships. Both LSU and Clemson’s QBs were lights out. Will HB be this kind of elite?

- would TN be the Clemson team we have seen over the past 5 years had we avoided the dysfunctional decade? How many names did you hear on Clemson’s roster tonight that would likely have been Vols had we picked the right coach the first time?

- was OK that bad or is LSU that good? Will we be able to score on that defense next year? Give them a fight next year?

- I would love to see LSU win it all but I still have a bad taste in my mouth about coach O telling our recruits to not attend class as he snuck off with Kiffin.

Just a few thoughts after watching the two games today? What say you?
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You gotta have great QB play. But LSU and Clemson have incredible athletes all over the field. So did Ohio State.
 
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PhoenixAZVol said:
- elite QBs win championships. Both LSU and Clemson’s QBs were lights out. Will HB be this kind of elite?

- would TN be the Clemson team we have seen over the past 5 years had we avoided the dysfunctional decade? How many names did you hear on Clemson’s roster tonight that would likely have been Vols had we picked the right coach the first time?

- was OK that bad or is LSU that good? Will we be able to score on that defense next year? Give them a fight next year?

- I would love to see LSU win it all but I still have a bad taste in my mouth about coach O telling our recruits to not attend class as he snuck off with Kiffin.

Just a few thoughts after watching the two games today? What say you?
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Had Mike Hamilton never been hired and a few other anti-football academia, yes, UT would have rolled.
 
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Wireless1 said:
We’ll have to agree to disagree.
More teams will just mean more bad games like the LSU/OU game.
This year 3 teams legitimately had claims to being called the best, but we had to fill the 4th spot with fodder so we debate over 3-5 teams that were next in line, we knew they weren’t the best but we have to fill the spot.
How many semi final games have been competitive as opposed to blow outs?
Let’s leave Cinderella to men’s BB
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Especially if you are automatically putting in teams that have vastly inferior resumes to others.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Anyone that still harbors ill feelings towards a Coach O for things in 2009 are seriously children. Boo hoo hoo.
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What has he done to override the classless way he attempted to get 11 guys already on our campus to not attend classes the day after he and his equally classless boss decided to bolt for USC? I have seen no contrition for those actions ever. On our payroll and I bet with a phone being paid for by UT Athletics. He cannot put those bullets back in the gun. So yeah I continue to hold him in the lowest esteem possible. I can recognize that he has done a great job with LSU in spite of his character limitations. But would not rule out his lack of a moral compass costing them in the future if he succumbs to the pressure to sustain that program in the future.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
What has he done to override the classless way he attempted to get 11 guys already on our campus to not attend classes the day after he and his equally classless boss decided to bolt for USC? I have seen no contrition for those actions ever. On our payroll and I bet with a phone being paid for by UT Athletics. He cannot put those bullets back in the gun. So yeah I continue to hold him in the lowest esteem possible. I can recognize that he has done a great job with LSU in spite of his character limitations. But would not rule out his lack of a moral compass costing them in the future if he succumbs to the pressure to sustain that program in the future.
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“His character limitations”......

How’s your glass house?
 
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