2020 qb comparison/talk/debate (merged)

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pimo1 said:
1. both Maurer and Shrout were significantly more inaccurate than JG like 11-12% worse
2. they used a very specific stat. You guys seem to be reading it as Passes beyond the line of scrimmage. It was specifically stated as PERFECT passes beyond the line of scrimmage. That's a very fuzzy stat to be tracking because its not just a reflection of actual physical accuracy. If a WR runs the wrong route or mistimes a cut on a timing route that can make a perfectly thrown pass look really bad. You have to understand its not a straightforward stat its a very advanced stat that is fairly meaningless on its own.
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But they threw many more downfield passes than jg. And neither enough playing time to have a fair evaluation. Dont think our opponents dont notice this. That's why our running game has struggled they stack the line to stop the run cause they know jg is very inaccurate doownfield.
 
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1vol8 said:
If people were only just saying THAT I would be ok with it because it’s true. It’s the BS I have a problem with. And I agree he wasn’t himself in the limited time vs UK but he was getting better with each possession as well. I know he was told not to run in that game which is half his his style of play so it only makes sense he wasn’t himself.
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Actually if he was told not to run he shouldn't have been in the game. That's what makes him good the threat to run.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
This is easily the most irrelevant post in the history of this forum. "Oh, look, a quarterback we let transfer because he stunk is ranked lower than our current QB who many of us really wish would transfer so our offense next year isn't handcuffed by him."
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Irrelevant perhaps, but I found it interesting.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I doubt confidence will be the issue. Maurer had more confidence than JG, but that's also why he threw a lot of INTs. Bigger question is how quick Bailey can adapt to SEC level defenses. The fact that he's played a lot of tough competition in high school helps, but the SEC is a whole 'nother level.

Still remember Peyton's first year. It was obvious he was going to be good, but he struggled at times as a Freshman; by Sophomore year, he was an elite QB. If Colquitt and Helton hadn't been injured, it's possible Peyton wouldn't have played much till Sophomore year.
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I agree with you overall but he also threw some of those ints due to circumstances rather than too much confidence. His first int vs UF bounced off DWAs chest and the LB had to make a hell of a play to get that ball. His mistake was hesitating before he threw it. His second int vs UGA Palmer stumbled on a go route after the ball was already thrown. His mistake on that one was too much confidence because he underestimated the speed of the safety to get there. His third was also too much confidence but it was a well placed ball if JJ was able to go up and get it but he got caught mid stride. Had JJ been able to get that one we’re talking about how well that ball was thrown vs how bad of a decision it was. His fourth, let’s face it, he probably should’ve been on the sideline at that point getting checked out after bouncing off his head. And his fifth wasn’t on him at all. That was just a simple drop by JJ on a perfect pass.
 
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1vol8 said:
I’m a film junkie tbh so trust me when I tell you I know what you mean. I must have watched the UK game at least 10 times and no less for the others. That’s also why I’m so bothered by untrue claims. I like JG. I hope he does well every time he’s out there but from my experience, the games I watched, idc what the “stats” say. Stats lie. Film doesn’t and Maurer was as prone to mistakes as any freshman is but on the flip side he was prone to big plays as well. Idk how anyone else felt with him in but when I seen 18 out there I just had a feeling, every second of the game, that something big was about to happen at any moment and Right on cue most of the time he delivered and usually on 3rd down.

As I said above I support JG as well so don’t get it twisted but everything you wrote is correct. I’ve tried to explain the difference in accuracy vs decision making to a few that obviously don’t WANT to listen but regardless of what the “stats” say Maurer is head and shoulders above JG in accuracy on game day. He’s behind in decision making as any freshman vs a junior should be. Time itself will fix that. If we have to lose 1 out of our qb room eventually then I feel strongly we will regret it being Maurer if it came to that.
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I agree with you. Maurer has the potential to be a great qb. I just hope it is here.
 
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cgrish said:
Actually if he was told not to run he shouldn't have been in the game. That's what makes him good the threat to run.
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They felt he COULD take a hit but didn’t want to risk it. I understand that. If I were his coach I’d probably tell him the same thing at that point. I don’t find it all that unfair that he was benched in the second half tbh but for 2 reasons. 1) he wasn’t QUITE himself because he knew he only had half his game to work with and he was rusty 2) he ran anyway. Twice. But the 17 yard run I think is what did it (if they didn’t already plan for JG in the second half anyway). He finished the run without aggression but still went head first rather than slide. That’s how I knew he was second guessing himself because normally he would’ve put his helmet in someone’s chest to get the first.
 
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cgrish said:
I agree with you. Maurer has the potential to be a great qb. I just hope it is here.
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I really hope Pruitt is trying to mend the relationship. Because how he treated JTS and Maurer through the media wasn’t right. Idc who says otherwise..... a coach should NEVER try and take a qbs confidence by criticizing him publicly.
 
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RollerVol said:
WRONG!...TRY AGAIN...:D
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Just wanna say i love UT rabid fan base...so passionate....but also dumb AF
2016 Bama OC-Kiffen. QB-Hurts
2017 Bama OC- Daboll QB-Hurts
2018 Bama OC- Sarkisian QB-Hurts
2019 Okla OC- Gundy/Bedenbaugh QB- Hurts

4 OC 4 years and 2 different teams. Next excuse
 
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I was just listening to the RTI recruiting podcast, and Brandon was saying Harrison Bailey starts day one. I have mixed feelings here; I know we need a more polished QB, but all that JG has been through I would love to see him have a successful Sr. season.
 
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BACKDOC said:
I was just listening to the RTI recruiting podcast, and Brandon was saying Harrison Bailey starts day one. I have mixed feelings here; I know we need a more polished QB, but all that JG has been through I would love to see him have a successful Sr. season.
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Come on Doc !!! It’s ok to be sentimental about your granddads pocket watch, but we’re trying to win football games.
 
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One thing I found interesting about JG and i think is where alot of the accuracy questions come from is this: JG was 46/98 from the opponents 39 yard bbn line in....when window his got tighter his completions and % dropped almost 20 %... as a Sophmore he actually got better in that stat but as a freshman was still poor...so what was the difference last year, we had a worse line and no running game??
 
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Hacksaw said:
Brees had to play 19 seasons to break the records Peyton set in 17 seasons. Brady needed 20 seasons. Peyton changed the QB position. Without Peyton, there is no Brees or Brady. Peyton is still the GOAT! All hail Peyton! Long live The King!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program. Go Vols!
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Yep, took Brees more than 700 additional pass attempts to break Manning’s td pass record. 546 and counting for Brady
 
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KBVol said:
You clearly haven’t kept up. I constantly defended JG for 2 years running because I thought he was unfairly targeted, unfairly criticized, especially during and after the 2018 season. Gave my reasoning why, backed up it with applicable stats that showed he wasn’t actually as awful as so many said on here.

Then this year happened, and it became clear to me that he’s just not the answer at QB for us going forward, given his inconsistent, uneven play. Especially given that Maurer is on the roster (clearly better, just needs more coaching, experience and needs to stay healthy) and Bailey is coming in. Hell, even Shrout made a couple throws/plays in limited time that JG can’t.

I don’t have “extreme dislike”, I recognize that the team and program is bigger than the reclamation project that Pruitt and staff persist with regarding JG. We simply have better options, guys with higher ceilings than JG.

Anyway, just found this post/article interesting by PFF. After posting positive post after positive post after positive post regarding JG over the last 2 years, just providing some balance now that the stats which reflect his performance have turned the other direction. Don’t shoot the messenger, just hope that the starting QB at Tenn can get better....much better.
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JG is not a power 5 QB and clearly not worthy of starting in SEC, I don't think by stating facts you are showing an "extreme dislike" for this player. Why would any Vol
fan want to see any player fail to prove they were right. Vols finished season 7-5 got bowl but the team DID NOT START PLAYING well until CJP let BM play and maybe JG
got message that QB job was not his exclusively and played better last half of year. I think BM and Shrout given the reps and 4 yrs JG has already in program are both
far better players than JG. If CJP doesn't give Bailey, Mauer, Shrout and all QBs a chance to compete for job I think Vols lose players transferring as well as recuiting future
players ………...Not a hater VOL FAN......…...…......….........
 
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cgrish said:
But they threw many more downfield passes than jg. And neither enough playing time to have a fair evaluation. Dont think our opponents dont notice this. That's why our running game has struggled they stack the line to stop the run cause they know jg is very inaccurate doownfield.
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cgrish said:
I agree with you. Maurer has the potential to be a great qb. I just hope it is here.
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So if they haven't had enough time for a fair evaluation then how can you evaluate that they have potential to be a great qb?

They also did not throw downfield more. JG had a higher percentage of his yards through the air than BM and JTS. BM has the highest screen pass percentage.
 
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k-town_king said:
So if they haven't had enough time for a fair evaluation then how can evaluate that they have potential to be a great qb?

They also did not throw downfield more. JG had a higher percentage of his yards through the air than BM and JTS. BM has the highest screen pass percentage.
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Dude..... stop with the screen pass % BS that you pulled off some website with 0 credibility. That INDIVIDUAL that claims such a stat is clearly confused on what a “screen” is. For the love of god , PLEASE watch the games. Maurer threw very few screens after UF.
 
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1vol8 said:
Dude..... stop with the screen pass % BS that you pulled off some website with 0 credibility. That INDIVIDUAL that claims such a stat is clearly confused on what a “screen” is. For the love of god , PLEASE watch the games. Maurer threw very few screens after UF.
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You cant even seen 2018 stats on that site.....
 
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