Stability of staff.

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VOLSONLY said:
100% Turnover happens when you do well!! Well said, the better we get in the next few years it will happen!!!
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If we have 100% turnover, we are in trouble..... Oh I read that wrong. But it will happen if, AND only if, Pruitt continues to bring in the right players, grows on evaluating character as well as talent, replaces outgoing coaches with other quality coaches, and what I hope he is doing well, assumes full control over the program. Something Saban did well. But at least Pruitt won't have to stand on phone books for group pictures.
 
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TNnative said:
If we have 100% turnover, we are in trouble..... Oh I read that wrong. But it will happen if, AND only if, Pruitt continues to bring in the right players, grows on evaluating character as well as talent, replaces outgoing coaches with other quality coaches, and what I hope he is doing well, assumes full control over the program. Something Saban did well. But at least Pruitt won't have to stand on phone books for group pictures.
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Lol my bad I meant Agreed 100%. Saban does it well as you said, the plus is Pruitt was there and seen a lot of it transpire!!!!😉
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
UPDATE: The days of Tennessee out-recruiting Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M, and Florida are over. We out-recruited everyone we should have out-recruited (except maybe Auburn). The sooner people accept this, the better. They'll always sign higher ranked classes than us, but we can close the gap with player development and staff continuity.
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It's not over until I say it's over.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Your stalking me again.... this is uncomfortable. Lol
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Be careful, he'll drop you like a hot potato and then make your life a living hell. Trust me, I know...and still scarred! #June
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Paying them well is a good start. It seems like this staff works well together and likes working together. I think that breeds consistency in practice and player development.

If you’re an ambitious position coach who wants to be a HC, you take the next promotion at a different place to get where you want to be. Just part of the business. It’s more the exception to the rule to stay at one place for more than a few years. I think this staff has a lot of confidence in Pruitt and wants to help him succeed as well as advance their own careers.
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CJP also gave several assistants bumps in titles when he signed them up.
 
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dono said:
If I have not missed it, it seems that we are not having any turnover? I look at that as a very positive thing and another reason for some optimism for future success. I have heard some say that one factor in Fulmer's "decline" was a lack of stability of the staff and. Lord knows, the last decade is what total instability looks like.
Any thoughts on how Pruitt's experience, as one in different situations, might be helping him in making assistants' lives better than average and therefore increasing their satisfaction?
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What you say can be substantiated by the performance of Bama the last couple of years. Slowly falling back to being a normal top team and not a near pro team. A few years ago they started to lose "key, top" coaches, it is starting to show. Especially on the defensive side. I also think losing Kif hurt more than folks have noticed.
 
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To me this is a great topic. Why is Bama on the decline and Clemson taking over? Because of staff stability. Saban has to replace his assistant coaches almost annually and I think it has caught up to him. Dabo somehow keeps his guys happy. I was a little worried this season Pruitt might be a hard arse and hard to work for like Saban. On the one hand I want a Saban type military precision program but on the other know we desperately need some stability. Time will tell.
 
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savannahfan said:
What you say can be substantiated by the performance of Bama the last couple of years. Slowly falling back to being a normal top team and not a near pro team. A few years ago they started to lose "key, top" coaches, it is starting to show. Especially on the defensive side. I also think losing Kif hurt more than folks have noticed.
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Yes! Abd I think of Venables at Climpson. either highest paid or second, and got a nice contract going . What I like about that is the edge it gives them in recruiting with the evidence of putting guys in the league. With him, I gotta think he's had offers, so the "intangibles" other than money might be in play. Though I could be proven wrong in a heartbeat.
 
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dono said:
If I have not missed it, it seems that we are not having any turnover? I look at that as a very positive thing and another reason for some optimism for future success. I have heard some say that one factor in Fulmer's "decline" was a lack of stability of the staff and. Lord knows, the last decade is what total instability looks like.
Any thoughts on how Pruitt's experience, as one in different situations, might be helping him in making assistants' lives better than average and therefore increasing their satisfaction?
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I was in Knoxville the other day and I heard on the radio that there could be a new D line coach I think they said Tosh. And that Rocker would be the one gone. I think this was Basillio thow so who knows.
 
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dono said:
If I have not missed it, it seems that we are not having any turnover? I look at that as a very positive thing and another reason for some optimism for future success. I have heard some say that one factor in Fulmer's "decline" was a lack of stability of the staff and. Lord knows, the last decade is what total instability looks like.
Any thoughts on how Pruitt's experience, as one in different situations, might be helping him in making assistants' lives better than average and therefore increasing their satisfaction?
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I'd say just the opposite....the lack of INstability was the problem for Fulmer. Fulmer would hang on to coordinators LONG after they should have been replaced.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
UPDATE: The days of Tennessee out-recruiting Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M, and Florida are over. We out-recruited everyone we should have out-recruited (except maybe Auburn). The sooner people accept this, the better. They'll always sign higher ranked classes than us, but we can close the gap with player development and staff continuity.
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Dabo says "Winning cures recruiting". Only one of his 2020 class - a 3* Safety - hail from the home state.
 
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TAF said:
Thanks to this thread...jinxing us...watch us lose a couple.

Gee THANKS OP!!!

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TAF said:
Thanks to this thread...jinxing us...watch us lose a couple.

Gee THANKS OP!!!

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It's a pleasure to wind up the perpetual "impending disaster" Vols out there. Even though 'twas not my intent, at all.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
UPDATE: The days of Tennessee out-recruiting Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M, and Florida are over. We out-recruited everyone we should have out-recruited (except maybe Auburn). The sooner people accept this, the better. They'll always sign higher ranked classes than us, but we can close the gap with player development and staff continuity.
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Well, two things.

One, I have long said that the coach who eventually turns UT around will be above average at finding talent that is overlooked by others. His evals of 3* guys is/will be more important at least early on than the unrealistic expectation that he will steal the guys Bama and other top winning programs target.

Two, things change and nothing changes recruiting results more than winning. If Pruitt develops players and begins to compete in the top tier of the SEC then the top players will listen to his pitch.
 
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I wouldn't say the days of being out recruited are for sure "over". With our losing on the field it makes sense LSU..Georgia...and Bama would out recruit us right now...but we're only a few years removed from Butch friggin Jones having the #4 ranked class. With stability and continued success on the field...we can return to top 5 status. C'mon..Butch Jones did it for gawd sakes...and that was right after the tumult of Kiffin and Dooley changes...and a lot of losing. Imagine if we win consistently.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
It's a fairly common idea. The other states simply produce more talent than Tennessee does.

Look at Florida, for example. Dan Mullen was considered an average-at-best recruiter when he was at MSU. Then he goes to Florida and has signed two top ten classes. LSU is the only major university in an extremely talent rich state. Same could be said for Georgia since Georgia Tech is, well... Georgia Tech. Texas A&M is the only SEC school in Texas, and we've all heard about the mass of talent Texas produces every year. The only thing keeping Kentucky and South Carolina from recruiting on our level every year is facilities and tradition.
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It was Mississippi.
Only six of LSU's signees are from LA. AU signed 9 from GA and 5 from AL. OU signed eleven from TX and has as many players from NC as from OK - two. Clemson signed 6 from GA, 3 from FL and 2 each from AL, NC, SC and onesies from seven other states.

To buy into what you're saying, it would have been impossible for TN to ever recruit over a number of schools, but we did. Clemson and OU could have never happened, but they did. Both built elite programs with TN level recruiting and can compete with anyone in the SEC year in/out.
 
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dono said:
If I have not missed it, it seems that we are not having any turnover? I look at that as a very positive thing and another reason for some optimism for future success. I have heard some say that one factor in Fulmer's "decline" was a lack of stability of the staff and. Lord knows, the last decade is what total instability looks like.
Any thoughts on how Pruitt's experience, as one in different situations, might be helping him in making assistants' lives better than average and therefore increasing their satisfaction?
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There is still a few more months for things to happen (just announced IN OC will be new Fresno St HC). But we managed to navigate through the first wave of turnover.

It will be nice for JG to have his first season without a new OC as Chaney is his forth OC already.
 
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