2020 qb comparison/talk/debate (merged)

[cgrish]

Give me an updated VERIFIED time and we will use that. Until then he runs a 4.79. That actually translates pretty well to a hand-timed 4.51.

BM is athletic no matter the time really.

He isn't in the same zip code as JH speed wise. Nothing wrong with that. JH will be the second or third fastest on the team day one.

I hope Holliday is given a fair chance to see what he can do at qb. I mean he has to be able to pass as well but if he could pass effectively that would be awesome. I will just trust our coaches and support whoever thay choose. But that kind of speed has to be on the field somewhere.

 

[k-town_king]

Wait so we can either debate a whole season or individual games. But not games in which both players played??? Nice who has a broken narrative. And again sectat site is not a recogized site. Only by u

Lets debate games they played.

UF-JG better
UGA-BM better if you want to count JG in for one series as playing, But one end of game drive is not really playing
Bama-Jg better
UK-JG better

There ya go

 

[cgrish]

I think indiana will be a tough challenge for our offense...i dont see gray bailing us out this time....we will go into halftime down unless we get turnovers or special teams scores

I agree with you. If jg plays typical jg football, we won't beat Ind. without as you said special teams and defensive scores. We only scored 14 points against vandy due to qb play. Take the two long runs from scrimmage out and we barely even beat vandy. if we had beat them at all.

 

[cgrish]

Lets debate games they played.

UF-JG better
UGA-BM better if you want to count JG in for one series as playing, But one end of game drive is not really playing
Bama-Jg better
UK-JG better

There ya go

We scored 3 points against fla didn't we?? jg better in bama game?? he lost the game imo. Uk I agree. Maurer in the ga game showed what a healthy maurer can do against a good defense. And it was his first start.

 

[whodeycin85]

Lets debate games they played.

UF-JG better. JG 9.9 QBR. BM 12.2 QBR. Neither good. But BM better. So wrong on this one
UGA-BM better if you want to count JG in for one series as playing, But one end of game drive is not really playing. Fine take it out

Bama-Jg better. Umm again JG 21.5 QBR BM 48.3 QBR. Again wrong BM better
UK-JG better Agree jg was better but BM got pulled for no legit reason

There ya go

 

[1vol8]

You gotta wonder what Bailey's stats would be if they threw it 47 time a game too right?

Damn after looking again its even more in Bailey's favor. I see why you keep talking about games. You want to distract from the fact that Maurer THREW MORE PASSES.

So more passes and less tds, less yards, lower completion percentage.

If Bailey threw it that much he would have had 5k and 50tds. lmao

Against a defense that knows he’s their only player, throwing to D2 receivers, no running game and with a defense of his own giving up 45 points a game...... I don’t have to wonder at all. His numbers are cut in half and we likely don’t know his name. You see..... you’re actually giving BM a compliment by trying to use that against him. If you understood how this game works you’d know it’s harder to throw INTO a defense that KNOWS you’re going to throw. It kind of means tighter windows doesn’t it? Which would speak volumes to what YOU CLAIM he lacks..... accuracy.

 

[whodeycin85]

I agree with you. If jg plays typical jg football, we won't beat Ind. without as you said special teams and defensive scores. We only scored 14 points against vandy due to qb play. Take the two long runs from scrimmage out and we barely even beat vandy. if we had beat them at all.

If gray doesnt go off. Vandy played perfect against our offense and JG. Once Gray broke some they had to respect him and started to focus on him allowing JG open receivers...otherwise JG was crap

 

[1vol8]

Lets debate games they played.

UF-JG better
UGA-BM better if you want to count JG in for one series as playing, But one end of game drive is not really playing
Bama-Jg better
UK-JG better

There ya go

UF? JG was not better. That’s why he got benched. It’s also why they went with Maurer the following week. If JG were better the switch would’ve never taken place. Neither were good at all but Maurer was unprepared. Bama wasn’t even close who was better. That was BM by a long shot. UK is the only game you MAY have a point if you disregard the fact that our defense couldn’t get off the field the entire first half. They figured it out in the second half which just so happened to be JGs half.

 

[GAVol]

And very few points scored, which should be the main stat. Points scored. I feel Pruitt will start jg next year regardless of how good any of the others are. But time will tell. I feel we have the talent to be competitive with anyone next year with good qb play, and I just don't see it in jg. Maurer did not get to play against the supposedly cup cake teams .His first start was against Ga. He played against ga. Miss state, and did well till he got hurt, and bama. Lots of difference in bama and ga. than Ga st. chatt. and byu. Had Maurer played in those games who knows what he would have done with that much game expierence.

He was good against UGA. Against Miss State he had some big time red zone issues.

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

He’s certainly in the conversation along with Manning, Brady and AR12

Why only modern day QBs? What about Montana, Marino, Johnny U, looking ahead and see YA Title mentioned in another post. Those guys played back when you could actually tackle the QB, and for that matter tackle him as hard as you want. Everyone try’s to compare QBs stats from the 60’s - 90’s against those of today. You can’t - it’s not apples to apples. I’d love to see one of today’s qbs complete 70% of their passes in the old days when defenses could kill the QB, push the WR as hard as they wanted to and Olines were not allowed to block with their hands. I don’t want anyone to get hurt but I’m one of the few who hate all of these new cry baby rules that prevent defenses from actually playing the game. It also over inflates and over hypes QBs that play today with very average skill sets. I think Peyton would have thrived in any generation and probably AR and Brees but there are other so called ‘elite’ QBs who wouldn’t have lasted more than a few seasons.

 

[1vol8]

He was good against UGA. Against Miss State he had some big time red zone issues.

Not many could disagree with that but when he was in vs MSU it was big play after big play. If we’re being honest that game was never in jeopardy and it could be argued that had Maurer stayed in the game likely ends in a blowout rather than 20-10

 

[bpalmer28]

Not many could disagree with that but when he was in vs MSU it was big play after big play. If we’re being honest that game was never in jeopardy and it could be argued that had Maurer stayed in the game likely ends in a blowout rather than 20-10

And it could also be argued that MSU runs an interception back and we lose.

 

[1vol8]

Why only modern day QBs? What about Montana, Marino, Johnny U, looking ahead and see YA Title mentioned in another post. Those guys played back when you could actually tackle the QB, and for that matter tackle him as hard as you want. Everyone try’s to compare QBs stats from the 60’s - 90’s against those of today. You can’t - it’s not apples to apples. I’d love to see one of today’s qbs complete 70% of their passes in the old days when defenses could kill the QB, push the WR as hard as they wanted to and Olines were not allowed to block with their hands. I don’t want anyone to get hurt but I’m one of the few who hate all of these new cry baby rules that prevent defenses from actually playing the game. It also over inflates and over hypes QBs that play today with very average skill sets. I think Peyton would have thrived in any generation and probably AR and Brees but there are other so called ‘elite’ QBs who wouldn’t have lasted more than a few seasons.

I actually can’t debate any of that. You have very good points and I have to concede defeat. That era of the game was made for warriors, no doubt. And qbs of today, although highly talented, are “kitty cats” in comparison.

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

You can make a strong argument for that. Fouts got a lot of credit for his 4,000-yard passing seasons. But he wasn't the first to do it. That was Joe Namath, who only managed it one time in his career. Fouts improved on that, but still only did it 3 times. Then along came Dan Marino, who you could also make a strong argument for. He had 6 seaons with over 4,000 yards passing. Throw Warren Moon, John Elway and Steve Young into the argument. They all did it, too.

But before Peyton came along, a 4,000 yard passing season was something of a rarity. It was a career-defining accomplishment. Only 13 other QBs, before Peyton, had EVER thrown for more than 4,000 yards -- most of them only once in their careers. And a lot of pantheon QBs never did it, including Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw. They each played on the greatest teams of their respective eras, but that doesn't make either of them the best QB of all-time, despite what a lot of people seem to think. Joe Theismann won a Super Bowl. Jeff Hostetler won two. Best QB of all-time? Nobody would ever say that. Think about that when you consider that Peyton Manning AVERAGED more than 4,000 yards passing per season over the course of his entire career.

4,000 yard passing seasons are a lot more commonplace nowadays. The game is different now. And that's because of Peyton. Brees has done it 12 times. Brady 10. Peyton's career was shorter than both of theirs and he did it 14 times. Put that together with his high career passer rating, NFL records (including most league MVPs) and being the ONLY QB in the history of the game to lead two different teams to SB wins.

The game is also different because the rules have changed so much. 4000 yards in Namath’s and Fout’s day are not the same as 4000 yards today. They have changed a ton of rules that make it very easy for even average qbs to pass for 4000 today. I guarantee you that very few of today’s qbs would be passing for 4000 yards if the rules were the same as those of the 60s-80’s. Plus there are two more regular season games. NONE of the pre 2000 passing stats can be compared against today’s stats. Different game and very different rules. Fouts 4000 yards would be like 6000 in today’s game.

 

[1vol8]

And it could also be argued that MSU runs an interception back and we lose.

Fair but with the game going the way it was I find it unlikely that the turn overs would’ve continued.

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

I actually can’t debate any of that. You have very good points and I have to concede defeat. That era of the game was made for warriors, no doubt. And qbs of today, although highly talented, are “kitty cats” in comparison.

Probably better athletes, stronger, faster today with the improved strength training, exercise science,nutrition, (likely steroids) but not even close in terms of toughness of the previous generation of players.

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

Dnt forget Peyton missed an entire year also.

Peyton I believe is the only one mentioned that could take Avery poor team and elevate them to a playoff contender within a few years. That’s why he one the MVP 5 times - he was most valuable in terms of making the team better. Perhaps Rogers (who has the best physical skillset) and Brees with his work effort and leadership but both to a lesser impact than Peyton.

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

If I had to win one game, I’d take either Brady, Montana, or Bradshaw. Probably take Montana. JMO

Montana all day vs. the other two.

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

I’d take Peyton or Aaron Rodgers all day long. I’m not a big Brady fan due to the cheating scoundrels and no one knows how much that benefited him. Montana isn’t a bad choice either though. Dude was great! Of coarse I hated him because I’m a life long Cowboy fan but respected him nonetheless.

Agree with everything you stated. Although I don't like Brady even without the cheating - very overrated system QB.

 

[1vol8]

Probably better athletes, stronger, faster today with the improved strength training, exercise science,nutrition, (likely steroids) but not even close in terms of toughness of the previous generation of players.

Relish in your victory for you have won.....but I shall rise again. .

I’m assuming you’re from Phoenix AZ. I spent some time there as a kid at the base of the superstitious mountains. I remember climbing to what they called “iron flat” many times.

 

[1vol8]

Agree with everything you stated. Although I don't like Brady even without the cheating - very overrated system QB.

I personally can’t stand that cocky sob. I watched a video of him charging KIDS full price for his autograph.

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

Yeah, but Branndon Stewart! He got the start ahead of Peyton

I am surprised he never made the pros. I thought he was very athletic and had a pretty strong arm as well. To be honest I think he outplayed Peyton a little bit their freshman year. Peyton obviously had the advantage of being an on field OC and better grasp of the playbook. I think we would have had the same success with Stewart though as he was mobile in addition to being a good passer.

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

Relish in your victory for you have won.....but I shall rise again. .

I’m assuming you’re from Phoenix AZ. I spent some time there as a kid at the base of the superstitious mountains. I remember climbing to what they called “iron flat” many times.

Yes. I have lived in Phoenix for almost 20 years. Great hiking here as you mention. I’m actually FROM Maryland and Knoxville (lived there 7 years during childhood and went back to UT for college) which explains my orange blood.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Lets debate games they played.

UF-JG better
UGA-BM better if you want to count JG in for one series as playing, But one end of game drive is not really playing
Bama-Jg better
UK-JG better

There ya go

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

I know. I was being contrite.

But..... look up what he and Otto Graham did in their careers. Amazing. Even compared to today’s qb’s.

Wasn’t Otto also and NBA player or at least a great college b-ball player. He absolutely could have played today’s game. Would probably do better since nobody would be allowed to tackle him now.