2020 qb comparison/talk/debate (merged)

#76
#76
1vol8 said:
I’m 100% convinced it was Maurers success. JG could see it slipping away from the sidelines and Maurers injury is the only reason JP was able to keep that door cracked open for him.
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I think indiana will be a tough challenge for our offense...i dont see gray bailing us out this time....we will go into halftime down unless we get turnovers or special teams scores
 
#77
#77
whodeycin85 said:
I think indiana will be a tough challenge for our offense...i dont see gray bailing us out this time....we will go into halftime down unless we get turnovers or special teams scores
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That easy to assume given the way JG has played over the years and no one can blame anyone for feeling that way. I personally hope JG does well and Pruitt gives Maurer the opportunity to redeem himself as well in the second half like he’s done for JG. HB is signed now.... there’s nothing left to protect.
 
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#78
#78
So this thread has been a little disappointing thus far so I’ll try and spice it up. For those who don’t know I’m am tied to the position of qb evaluation by default. I enjoy talking about offense and qbs in particular. I hope I don’t regret this but I’m going to put a non-detailed qb evaluation of all of our current qbs on the board and those who choose to talk/debate about it feel free. I know this won’t work for all and also know that most will disagree with SOMETHING but let’s try and stay respectful. This is based on what IVE seen live. 1-10. + Total overall score

(JG)- Accuracy- 7
Pocket presence - 5
Ball placement- 6
Arm strength- 7 (assumed)
Awareness- 5
Speed- 6
Elusiveness- 4
Improvise- 4
Decision making- 8
Experience- 8. 60

(JTS)- accuracy- 6 (most of the time he’s a 7)
Pocket presence- 7
Ball placement- 6
Arm strength- 8
Awareness- 7
Speed- 6
Elusiveness- 4
Improvise- 4
Decision making- 6
Experience- 2. 56

(BM)- accuracy- 8
Pocket presence- 8
Ball placement- 7
Arm strength- 7
Awareness- 7
Speed- 7
Elusiveness- 6
Improvise- 7
Decision making- 7 ( based on Hs)
Experience- 3. 67

(HB)- Accuracy- 8
Pocket presence- 8
Ball placement- 7
Arm strength- 6
Awareness- 7
Speed- 5
Elusiveness- 4
Improvise- 5
Decision making- 6 (based on Hs)
Experience- 0. 56

I don’t know anything about Hill or Holliday outside of stats from Maryland or Hs so I can’t include them until I see them live.
 
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#79
1vol8 said:
I’m 100% convinced it was Maurers success. JG could see it slipping away from the sidelines and Maurers injury is the only reason JP was able to keep that door cracked open for him.
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I don't think that can be proven but it is an interesting possibility. Pruitt seemed to be ready to hand BM the keys after UGA.
 
#80
#80
VFL1127 said:
I disagree with this statement "Brady just wins, that's what he does.
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Yeah, that's what people say. Some people seem to think he won those games all by himself. Some people act like it makes absolutely no difference that he just so happened to play his entire career for the best coach of his era and on the best team of his era -- a team that cycled players in and out regularly over the years at every other position and yet still kept on winning. We're supposed to believe that Brady was the one indispensable guy -- that they never could have won all those games without him.
 
#81
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sjt18 said:
I don't think that can be proven but it is an interesting possibility. Pruitt seemed to be ready to hand BM the keys after UGA.
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You think so? I thought he seemed reluctant but forced tbh. After that game it was hard to deny his success but Pruitt said, after nearly every game, that the plan all along was to change qbs. If that’s the case BM wasn’t given the chance we think he was imo.
 
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#82
#82
1vol8 said:
You think so? I thought he seemed reluctant but forced tbh. After that game it was hard to deny his success but Pruitt said, after nearly every game, that the plan all along was to change qbs. If that’s the case BM wasn’t given the chance we think he was imo.
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I think it was after that game that he acted like it was a no brainer who the starter would be.... BM.

JG took some steps in the right direction but I still have some anxiety with him. He's looked good before then slumped back into his old self.
 
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#83
sjt18 said:
I think it was after that game that he acted like it was a no brainer who the starter would be.... BM.

JG took some steps in the right direction but I still have some anxiety with him. He's looked good before then slumped back into his old self.
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I just remember after the UGA game him standing at the podium and when asked about BMs performance he wouldn’t comment and just said “I’ll have to look at the tape”. I’m sorry but it was obvious. No tape needed unless you’re looking for flaws.
And I agree. Usually when a qb has his flaws for that long and they remain uncorrected they can make an exception for a game or 2 but almost ALWAYS revert back to who they are. I HOPE he really got better but I EXPECT to see the same guy he’s always been either in the bowl or early next season.
 
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1vol8 said:
So this thread has been a little disappointing thus far so I’ll try and spice it up. For those who don’t know I’m am tied to the position of qb evaluation by default. I enjoy talking about offense and qbs in particular. I hope I don’t regret this but I’m going to put a non-detailed qb evaluation of all of our current qbs on the board and those who choose to talk/debate about it feel free. I know this won’t work for all and also know that most will disagree with SOMETHING but let’s try and stay respectful. This is based on what IVE seen live. 1-10

(JG)- Accuracy- 7
Pocket presence - 5
Ball placement- 6
Arm strength- 7 (assumed)
Awareness- 5
Speed- 6
Elusiveness- 4
Improvise- 4
Decision making- 8
Experience- 8. 60

(JTS)- accuracy- 6 (most of the time he’s a 7)
Pocket presence- 7
Ball placement- 6
Arm strength- 8
Awareness- 7
Speed- 6
Elusiveness- 4
Improvise- 4
Decision making- 6
Experience- 2. 56

(BM)- accuracy- 8
Pocket presence- 8
Ball placement- 7
Arm strength- 7
Awareness- 7
Speed- 7
Elusiveness- 6
Improvise- 7
Decision making- 7 ( based on Hs)
Experience- 3. 67

(HB)- Accuracy- 8
Pocket presence- 8
Ball placement- 7
Arm strength- 6
Awareness- 7
Speed- 5
Elusiveness- 4
Improvise- 5
Decision making- 6 (based on Hs)
Experience- 0. 56

I don’t know anything about Hill or Holliday outside of stats from Maryland or Hs so I can’t include them until I see them live.
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BY spice I assume you mean trolling?

Why would you assume for the player whop has played the most? His arm strength is well documented.

Why base BM decision making on High school? We have seen him in college. More like a 3 right now.

You ratings are unbelievably laughable.






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You typing your ratings up.
 
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Given that everytime JG throws deep the WR have to stop turn and jump. I can see why arm strength is questioned....or he has plenty but can throw accurate passes. Which is It??
 
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k-town_king said:
BY spice I assume you mean trolling?

Why would you assume for the player whop has played the most? His arm strength is well documented.

Why base BM decision making on High school? We have seen him in college. More like a 3 right now.

You ratings are unbelievably laughable.






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You typing your ratings up.
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Well..... I’ll answer those questions. You can’t fairly judge a qbs decision making in a new offense with new terminology. It’s like asking you to learn Japanese in 6 months then calling you stupid if you’re not fluent. It makes a world of difference KNOWING where his receivers are vs having to find them. So when ACTUALLY COMPARING one vs the other (unlike the services) you have to rate them based on the offense they KNEW the best......Hs. You also can’t fairly rate a freshman qbs decision making in college when he’s in the middle of learning how to read defenses at a new level. Hence why JG was the only one rated under a collegiate level. JTS and Bailey were also rated the same way..... from Hs. It’s the only way to be as fair as possible. As for JGs arm strength I personally haven’t seen him (off the top of my head) have to throw it as far as he’s capable. So I was honest in what I have seen thus being honest in assuming. Not trolling at all..... that’s called honesty. You should try it.
 
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#93
#93
T_Vol376 said:
Well... I don’t care whatchy’all think! There is no way I’m not getting excited about somebody named Jimmy “The Jet” Holiday! 😁
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I don’t know much about him other than hearsay so it wouldn’t have been fair to include him. From what I understand he’s more of a running threat. Speed is insane so he probably would be a 9 and an 8 in elusiveness. He ran a 4.38 (?) which truthfully isn’t much faster than Maurer so I MAY have sold Maurer a little short with a 7.
 
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1vol8 said:
I don’t know much about him other than hearsay so it wouldn’t have been fair to include him. From what I understand he’s more of a running threat. Speed is insane so he probably would be a 9 and an 8 in elusiveness. He ran a 4.38 (?) which truthfully isn’t much faster than Maurer so I MAY have sold Maurer a little short with a 7.
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Yep, I’m seeing a lot of comments from folks who think he will change positions.
 
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#98
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Rickyvol77 said:
Agree with that but Manning’s intelligence was far greater. Shuler should’ve stayed one more year. Manning had more rushing TDs than Shuler did although shuler was clearly a better runner.

But when you look at it all Manning was clearly the best QB. Wins. Stats. All of it
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Heath was clearly a better runner, and only played three years which skews your stats. One season he set UT record for QB running TDs then the next season he set the record for UT QB passing TDs. Manning was clearly the better pro style QB, was more of a student of the game. Heath was the better athlete of the two, and was electric when he played at UT.
 
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#99
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T_Vol376 said:
Yep, I’m seeing a lot of comments from folks who think he will change positions.
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My personal opinion (once again based on hearsay) is he’s a 4* db or wr but a 3* qb. He’s stated he wants to play qb and nothing else. I looked at his stats from Hs and they suggest that a position change may be possible. He’s not a passer (but he can throw). Battling against pure qbs such as Bailey and Maurer, who are passers, seems like he’d be buried in the depth chart as a qb. Especially when you consider one of those passers isn’t much slower in regards to running. I can see him as a package type qb but I doubt that’ll keep him happy long. He wants to play just like anyone else.
 
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