The Impeachment Thread

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zeppelin128 said:
I hear Tulsi needs some cash.
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Well looks like I am headed to TULSI.com to make another donation since she's pizzed off the squad.

Gabbard defends 'present' vote on impeachment: Voters should decide

Gabbard, the sole remaining Democratic presidential candidate in the House, told Hill.TV that while she thinks Trump is “absolutely” guilty of wrongdoing, a vote in favor of impeachment “should never come about as a culmination of a highly partisan process.”

“This is something that our founding fathers warned us about,” Gabbard said.

“Making this statement, voting 'present,' taking a stand for the center. Standing for our democracy and really that this decision of whether to remove Donald Trump or not must be in the hands off voters," she added. "I believe that they will make that decision.”

Nice that someone actually understands.
 
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McDad said:
I go from no value to questionable value because a lie under oath when proven a lie has a punishment in place. That's the only quality which makes the two identical statements made under oath and not any different to me.
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So it’s just a precautionary mistrust because someday a political operative might spontaneously make a false utterance that is harmful to their own interests?

Seems like a pretty remote chance, politicians lies tend to be self-serving, in my experience, but ok.
 
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StarRaider said:
Well looks like I am headed to TULSI.com to make another donation since see pizzed off the squad.

Gabbard defends 'present' vote on impeachment: Voters should decide

Gabbard, the sole remaining Democratic presidential candidate in the House, told Hill.TV that while she thinks Trump is “absolutely” guilty of wrongdoing, a vote in favor of impeachment “should never come about as a culmination of a highly partisan process.”

“This is something that our founding fathers warned us about,” Gabbard said.

“Making this statement, voting 'present,' taking a stand for the center. Standing for our democracy and really that this decision of whether to remove Donald Trump or not must be in the hands off voters," she added. "I believe that they will make that decision.”

Nice that someone actually understands.
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She probably understands what best suits her political ambitions.
 
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Septic said:
Your usage of the term "many" is subjective but no, I still disagree. The number of people that literally believe what you're strawing out is few. Though it appears as if you've convinced yourself of that (or were externally convinced of that) - so whatever.

Based on your post here, believing they are as a whole meant to be funny - instead of dividing, you are likely the lowbrow target of the memes creators. They are working and you don't even realize it, your last comment demonstrates you have no clue what argument is being made and are instead reverting back to the comforting feelz of knocking over a "thEy Dindt ChAngE vOt3s" strawman.
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Link to where I can find the report saying they changed votes ? You keep saying it’s a straw man , but you offer zero proof . For a guy that clams facts are facts, you sure sling around perceptions a lot . I’ve never had a meme change anything for me but maybe my mood ( some are funny as hell ) . Have you ? Has anybody ? Show of hands if a meme caused you to vote for a particular presidential candidate .
 
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StarRaider said:
Well looks like I am headed to TULSI.com to make another donation since she's pizzed off the squad.

Gabbard defends 'present' vote on impeachment: Voters should decide

Gabbard, the sole remaining Democratic presidential candidate in the House, told Hill.TV that while she thinks Trump is “absolutely” guilty of wrongdoing, a vote in favor of impeachment “should never come about as a culmination of a highly partisan process.”

“This is something that our founding fathers warned us about,” Gabbard said.

“Making this statement, voting 'present,' taking a stand for the center. Standing for our democracy and really that this decision of whether to remove Donald Trump or not must be in the hands off voters," she added. "I believe that they will make that decision.”

Nice that someone actually understands.
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Respect for her position. Think he is guilty but holds the process in high esteem.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm not anti-American government. I think we need a small, well defined and restrained federal government.
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I guess you're interested in Constitutional change as well. Ah, footing on which we can stand. Can non-partisan Constitutional change happen in the hyper-partisan government we now have?
 
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hog88 said:
I'm not anti-American government. I think we need a small, well defined and restrained federal government.
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The federal dept of education is redundant and a waste of money. No way you can take a dollar in tax money from here, send it to D.C., let them take their cut for salaries and overhead, then send it back and have it worth anywhere near a dollar anymore. It not only gives them control over your educational system, it is very inefficient use of tax money. All 50 states have a dept of education already. Governing from closer to what you are trying to govern is always better.
 
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Mick said:
I guess you're interested in Constitutional change as well. Ah, footing on which we can stand. Can non-partisan Constitutional change happen in the hyper-partisan government we now have?
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There are a couple changes to the constitution I would support.

I don't get what you're driving at with your last question. Yes it could be changed, the mechanisms for change are spelled out, there is a small likelihood it will be changed but that isn't a bad thing.
 
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1972 Grad said:
The federal dept of education is redundant and a waste of money. No way you can take a dollar in tax money from here, send it to D.C., let them take their cut for salaries and overhead, then send it back and have it worth anywhere near a dollar anymore. It not only gives them control over your educational system, it is very inefficient use of tax money. All 50 states have a dept of education already. Governing from closer to what you are trying to govern is always better.
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How Does Your State's Education Spending Compare to Others'?
 
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hog88 said:
There are a couple changes to the constitution I would support.

I don't get what you're driving at with your last question. Yes it could be changed, the mechanisms for change are spelled out, there is a small likelihood it will be changed but that isn't a bad thing.
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the entire point of the system is to ensure change is non-partisan or as non-partisan as possible.
 
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Roberts will then administer a special oath required by Article I of the Constitution to the senators present: ‘‘I solemnly swear ... that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald J. Trump, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God.’’
 
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StarRaider said:
Well looks like I am headed to TULSI.com to make another donation since she's pizzed off the squad.

Gabbard defends 'present' vote on impeachment: Voters should decide

Gabbard, the sole remaining Democratic presidential candidate in the House, told Hill.TV that while she thinks Trump is “absolutely” guilty of wrongdoing, a vote in favor of impeachment “should never come about as a culmination of a highly partisan process.”

“This is something that our founding fathers warned us about,” Gabbard said.

“Making this statement, voting 'present,' taking a stand for the center. Standing for our democracy and really that this decision of whether to remove Donald Trump or not must be in the hands off voters," she added. "I believe that they will make that decision.”

Nice that someone actually understands.
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Yeah, I read her statement last night after the vote. That isn't a bad position to take honestly.
 
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luthervol said:
Roberts will then administer a special oath required by Article I of the Constitution to the senators present: ‘‘I solemnly swear ... that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald J. Trump, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God.’’
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I don't think it's moved to the Senate
 
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Meanwhile, a writ of summons will be delivered to President Trump. The writ will recite the impeachment articles and call on Trump to appear before the Senate, to file his answer to the articles, and to abide by the orders and judgments of the Senate in its consideration of them.
 
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luthervol said:
Roberts will then administer a special oath required by Article I of the Constitution to the senators present: ‘‘I solemnly swear ... that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald J. Trump, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God.’’
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Too bad pelosi, nadler and schiff didn't have to take that oath
 
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1972 Grad said:
The federal dept of education is redundant and a waste of money. No way you can take a dollar in tax money from here, send it to D.C., let them take their cut for salaries and overhead, then send it back and have it worth anywhere near a dollar anymore. It not only gives them control over your educational system, it is very inefficient use of tax money. All 50 states have a dept of education already. Governing from closer to what you are trying to govern is always better.
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I agree in essence, but there should be uniform core curriculum and standards across the states, especially given the mobility our society. I am not sure anyone but a federal body could arrange that. Perhaps the DOE should be under another department?
 
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