Playoff Expansion

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KnoxvilleVol13 said:
I keep hearing everybody argue between 4 and 8 teams in the playoffs. Personally I believe 4 is fine and any more than that just continues to devalue the regular season. Which is what makes college football great and unique. Which got me thinking..

Why doesn’t CFB just use the NFL 6 team method? Top 2 have byes. 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5. You could do the power 5 champions and one wild card team or just let the committee pick all 6. Nets 2 extra games and would be a happy middle ground for the debate. Just a random thought, what do you guys think?
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It would be better than what we currently have. It would put champions in the playoffs. That said, I disagree that the regular season is devalued by expanding the playoffs. It could be done.
 
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If they want to expand playoffs but only include the conference champions, go for it. Otherwise, hell no. Its hypocritical as well as stupid to cry "they need to play it on the field" then say "its ok that Alabama (or whomever) not to win their conference and or not win their division but they're a really, really good team". They played it on the field and lost. The basic definition of champion is best, not the prettiest team of the lot. Win and you're in otherwise stfu.
 
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OriginalCoach said:
Montana State beat Austin Peay last weekend and are now in the DII Semi-finals. Austin Peay was their 14th game with 2 more to go if they get in the finals. That’s 16 for all you geniuses arguing against expansion.
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I wonder how many of players could lose millions of dollars if they get hurt in the playoffs?
 
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KnoxvilleVol13 said:
I keep hearing everybody argue between 4 and 8 teams in the playoffs. Personally I believe 4 is fine and any more than that just continues to devalue the regular season. Which is what makes college football great and unique. Which got me thinking..

Why doesn’t CFB just use the NFL 6 team method? Top 2 have byes. 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5. You could do the power 5 champions and one wild card team or just let the committee pick all 6. Nets 2 extra games and would be a happy middle ground for the debate. Just a random thought, what do you guys think?
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4 teams and the media darling teams will forever control the rankings
 
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Expand the playoffs and you put more power and money into the hands of whoever owns the CFP, which likely means ESPN. ESPN already has too tight a grip on the sport. They dictate a lot of what "matters," they control much of the narrative, and they seemingly use their money to call a lot of the shots. I cannot support anything that strengthens ESPN's control of college football - or college sports in general.

College football was fine before the college football playoffs -- and it would be fine if the college football playoffs ended tomorrow, too. I look forward to the day when the Sugar Bowl, the Rose Bowl, the Orange Bowl, matter once again. It will likely never come. But I look forward to it all the same.
 
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KnoxvilleVol13 said:
I keep hearing everybody argue between 4 and 8 teams in the playoffs. Personally I believe 4 is fine and any more than that just continues to devalue the regular season. Which is what makes college football great and unique. Which got me thinking..

Why doesn’t CFB just use the NFL 6 team method? Top 2 have byes. 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5. You could do the power 5 champions and one wild card team or just let the committee pick all 6. Nets 2 extra games and would be a happy middle ground for the debate. Just a random thought, what do you guys think?
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Not every P5 champ could be among the top 8 though. Imagine a 8-5 Pac12 champ. No way they deserve a spot over a 10-2 SEC or Big Ten team
 
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GreveHaller said:
If they want to expand playoffs but only include the conference champions, go for it. Otherwise, hell no. Its hypocritical as well as stupid to cry "they need to play it on the field" then say "its ok that Alabama (or whomever) not to win their conference and or not win their division but they're a really, really good team". They played it on the field and lost. The basic definition of champion is best, not the prettiest team of the lot. Win and you're in otherwise stfu.
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Except not all conferences are created equal
 
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DuckinVol said:
Having four has already devalued the regular season and the bowls. I enjoyed the BCS. Unless you actually believe the best team always wins, why is a playoff superior to the BCS?
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The bowl system was doomed with the advent of the BCS. The playoff was another dagger. The month of December will soon be filled with an 8 game CFP and bowls become a thing of the past.
 
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KnoxvilleVol13 said:
I keep hearing everybody argue between 4 and 8 teams in the playoffs. Personally I believe 4 is fine and any more than that just continues to devalue the regular season. Which is what makes college football great and unique. Which got me thinking..

Why doesn’t CFB just use the NFL 6 team method? Top 2 have byes. 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5. You could do the power 5 champions and one wild card team or just let the committee pick all 6. Nets 2 extra games and would be a happy middle ground for the debate. Just a random thought, what do you guys think?
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When you start increasing the number of games in a season, you begin to see guarantees that players that can redshirt and then leave after 2 years (on competitive teams) will go no matter where they are in the draft. I have always been a fan of dropping the conferences back to 10 teams, playing everyone in the conference, no conference championship game and if you want to expand the playoff go to 8 teams.
 
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KnoxvilleVol13 said:
I keep hearing everybody argue between 4 and 8 teams in the playoffs. Personally I believe 4 is fine and any more than that just continues to devalue the regular season. Which is what makes college football great and unique. Which got me thinking..

Why doesn’t CFB just use the NFL 6 team method? Top 2 have byes. 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5. You could do the power 5 champions and one wild card team or just let the committee pick all 6. Nets 2 extra games and would be a happy middle ground for the debate. Just a random thought, what do you guys think?
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agreed. 5 conference champs + 1 is a great model. top 2 get byes.
 
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You can't make everyone happy all the time. Pick a lane and run with it. The playoffs are basically the same as having the NC bowl game and the number 3 vs number 4 bowl game under BCS. The only difference really is that now the # 3 ranked or #4 ranked teams have a shot to win it all fair and square instead of settle for who gets to finish 3rd.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
I'm sure you're making a good point and I'm just missing it, but the DII champion played one less game than Clemson did last year. If we expand the playoff to 6 or 8 teams, our champion will have to play 16 games. The DII champion plays 14.
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Not if they drop the cupcake off the non conference schedule
 
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rikberry31 said:
The bowl system was doomed with the advent of the BCS. The playoff was another dagger. The month of December will soon be filled with an 8 game CFP and bowls become a thing of the past.
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Bowls will still be there. They have nothing to do with it outside the big bowls
 
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You can't keep expanding the playoff without hurting bowls.

I am 100% behind the Bowl system. The 4 team playoff is the best of both worlds scenario. Expanders will never be happy until the bowl system is eradicated imo.
 
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DuckinVol said:
Bring back the BCS.
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Bring back the UPI and AP polls. Split natty, who cares.

Actually.......24 teams just like FCS does it. Top 8 seeds get byes, the other 16 are made up of conference champs and at-large teams.

Simple, easy, fair.
 
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KnoxvilleVol13 said:
I keep hearing everybody argue between 4 and 8 teams in the playoffs. Personally I believe 4 is fine and any more than that just continues to devalue the regular season. Which is what makes college football great and unique. Which got me thinking..

Why doesn’t CFB just use the NFL 6 team method? Top 2 have byes. 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5. You could do the power 5 champions and one wild card team or just let the committee pick all 6. Nets 2 extra games and would be a happy middle ground for the debate. Just a random thought, what do you guys think?
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If the top two had byes, they wouldn't get all the playoff money, or at least their conferences wouldn't get the $$$ from that game. NCAA is a business, they always put making money first.
 
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I think it will eventually get expanded to 8. I personally think 4 is okay but the case can certainly be made to move to 8.
 
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peaygolf said:
Bring back the UPI and AP polls. Split natty, who cares.

Actually.......24 teams just like FCS does it. Top 8 seeds get byes, the other 16 are made up of conference champs and at-large teams.

Simple, easy, fair.
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I was going to say just 16 because of the amount of games already scheduled plus the conference championship game, that makes it 13 for most schools. Take the schedule back to 11 games with the conference championship game and then playoffs starting from there.
 
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11 game regular season, with a 12th game for conference championship. Go back to the BCS formula. Then set a 16 team playoff based on those rankings. Last two teams end up playing 16 games. Last two play 15 now. Not a huge leap.

Why not? Has nothing to do with player health, academics, exams, or the holidays.

Nope, it's all about the Benjamins, folks. Bowl Money. No way the Schools, AD's, Conferences, or Teams are giving up that pile of cash without a fight.

Every level of college football from the FCS down to NAIA has, and has had, a playoff system for decades. But not I-A, or the FBS as it's now known. And the reason why is money, plain and simple.

Best you can hope for is an 8-team playoff. Better than 4, and the bowls (and big money) are still in play.
 
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