2020 qb comparison/talk/debate (merged)

#31
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peaygolf said:
I know. I was being contrite.

But..... look up what he and Otto Graham did in their careers. Amazing. Even compared to today’s qb’s.
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I’ve watch documentaries on both and I do agree they were both great in their time. But it can be argued that in their time the forward pass hadn’t been around long enough to perfect defending it like in today’s game. So it’s hard to say how they would fair in the modern era.
 
#32
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1vol8 said:
I’ve watch documentaries on both and I do agree they were both great in their time. But it can be argued that in their time the forward pass hadn’t been around long enough to perfect defending it like in today’s game. So it’s hard to say how they would fair in the modern era.
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Defenses weren’t handicapped like they are today either......
 
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peaygolf said:
If I had to win one game, I’d take either Brady, Montana, or Bradshaw. Probably take Montana. JMO
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I’d take Peyton or Aaron Rodgers all day long. I’m not a big Brady fan due to the cheating scoundrels and no one knows how much that benefited him. Montana isn’t a bad choice either though. Dude was great! Of coarse I hated him because I’m a life long Cowboy fan but respected him nonetheless.
 
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peaygolf said:
YA Tittle
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Very smart post. Tittle was similar to Manning in a lot of ways. You can make an argument that he also changed the game. Like Peyton, he was known as a very smart player who suffered from not always being on the best teams. And, like Peyton, he held almost all of the NFL passing records when he retired. In some ways, you could justify rating Tittle above some of the more recent QBs, despite their much better stats. He was better in the NFL of his day than they were in the NFL of theirs.
 
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peaygolf said:
If I had to win one game, I’d take either Brady, Montana, or Bradshaw. Probably take Montana. JMO
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People say that because those guys played with the teams they did. The TEAMS were better. No one would ever argue that Bradshaw was in any way superior to Peyton as a quarterback. Put Peyton on the Steelers' teams that Bradshaw played on and my God...they would have been unbeatable.
 
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Hacksaw said:
People say that because those guys played with the teams they did. The TEAMS were better. No one would ever argue that Bradshaw was in any way superior to Peyton as a quarterback. Put Peyton on the Steelers' teams that Bradshaw played on and my God...they would have been unbeatable.
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Love Peyton, but Montana and Bradshaw never lost a Super Bowl.

I do know that neither are as good as Peyton, but for 1 game........I really might take them
 
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Hacksaw said:
Brees had to play 19 seasons to break the records Peyton set in 17 seasons. Brady needed 20 seasons. Peyton changed the QB position. Without Peyton, there is no Brees or Brady. Peyton is still the GOAT! All hail Peyton! Long live The King!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program. Go Vols!
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Actually Dan Fouts and Air Coryell changed the game and made Dan Marino, Peyton, etc. possible. They revolutionized the game.
 
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1vol8 said:
Actually I agree but it’ll be JG given the first shot at it. He’s a practice warrior and JP seems to have a connection with him. It’s his job to lose but the battle between Maurer and Bailey May shock some folks
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I wonder if alot of the way this season was handled was to make sure we land HB. Spring should open up competition and Chaney and Tee and Wienkie should let Coach know who to play.
 
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rocytop2624 said:
I wonder if alot of the way this season was handled was to make sure we land HB. Spring should open up competition and Chaney and Tee and Wienkie should let Coach know who to play.
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I’ve had that theory all along and was called an idiot for suggesting it could be true. It wasn’t until JP had no choice to put in BM that he did and then never let him finish a game he started. Yes I said LET him finish. BM didn’t want to come out vs UGA, Pruitt held him out. He didn’t want to come out vs MSU, Pruitt held him out. Alabama was a different story but there’s no reason to assume he wouldn’t have held him out. Vs UK he was benched at halftime for no apparent reason because he was heating up as the game went along but was definitely the worst he’s looked at any point and even that wasn’t “bad”. So I think you could be on my side on this one. The way it was handled definitely gave the impression of a lack of qb, which would appeal to HB.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Actually Dan Fouts and Air Coryell changed the game and made Dan Marino, Peyton, etc. possible. They revolutionized the game.
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You can make a strong argument for that. Fouts got a lot of credit for his 4,000-yard passing seasons. But he wasn't the first to do it. That was Joe Namath, who only managed it one time in his career. Fouts improved on that, but still only did it 3 times. Then along came Dan Marino, who you could also make a strong argument for. He had 6 seaons with over 4,000 yards passing. Throw Warren Moon, John Elway and Steve Young into the argument. They all did it, too.

But before Peyton came along, a 4,000 yard passing season was something of a rarity. It was a career-defining accomplishment. Only 13 other QBs, before Peyton, had EVER thrown for more than 4,000 yards -- most of them only once in their careers. And a lot of pantheon QBs never did it, including Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw. They each played on the greatest teams of their respective eras, but that doesn't make either of them the best QB of all-time, despite what a lot of people seem to think. Joe Theismann won a Super Bowl. Jeff Hostetler won two. Best QB of all-time? Nobody would ever say that. Think about that when you consider that Peyton Manning AVERAGED more than 4,000 yards passing per season over the course of his entire career.

4,000 yard passing seasons are a lot more commonplace nowadays. The game is different now. And that's because of Peyton. Brees has done it 12 times. Brady 10. Peyton's career was shorter than both of theirs and he did it 14 times. Put that together with his high career passer rating, NFL records (including most league MVPs) and being the ONLY QB in the history of the game to lead two different teams to SB wins.
 
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Hacksaw said:
You can make a strong argument for that. Fouts got a lot of credit for his 4,000-yard passing seasons. But he wasn't the first to do it. That was Joe Namath, who only managed it one time in his career. Fouts improved on that, but still only did it 3 times. Then along came Dan Marino, who you could also make a strong argument for. He had 6 seaons with over 4,000 yards passing. Throw Warren Moon, John Elway and Steve Young into the argument. They all did it, too.

But before Peyton came along, a 4,000 yard passing season was something of a rarity. It was a career-defining accomplishment. Only 13 other QBs, before Peyton, had EVER thrown for more than 4,000 yards -- most of them only once in their careers. And a lot of pantheon QBs never did it, including Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw. They each played on the greatest teams of their respective eras, but that doesn't make either of them the best QB of all-time, despite what a lot of people seem to think. Joe Theismann won a Super Bowl. Jeff Hostetler won two. Best QB of all-time? Nobody would ever say that. Think about that when you consider that Peyton Manning AVERAGED more than 4,000 yards passing per season over the course of his entire career.

4,000 yard passing seasons are a lot more commonplace nowadays. The game is different now. And that's because of Peyton. Brees has done it 12 times. Brady 10. Peyton's career was shorter than both of theirs and he did it 14 times. Put that together with his high career passer rating, NFL records (including most league MVPs) and being the ONLY QB in the history of the game to lead two different teams to SB wins.
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Agree with all this. There have been great quarterbacks in every era. The passing game rule changes in the late 70's and early 80's is what Fouts and the Chargers took advantage of. If Peyton was their quarterback he would done the same. Peyton's era jump in passing was a consequence of the rules protecting quarterback. In Fout's era the defense could still blow up a quaterback. Fouts was totally immobile and too a lot of shots, he was tough as nails.
 
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