Vols practice thread Friday 12/13

[Jackcrevol]

1st non Mario gif post So good news on Middleton?

it's a LUIGIiii!

 

[1vol8]

His completion % is below 60 and good for 7th best in the SEC. So if your concept of being among the top means being above the worst 5 but below the best 6 then, yeah, hes amazing..

By “his” stats I meant K town. I should’ve made that clear, my bad

 

[1vol8]

If your comparing stats. Comapre both QBs vs top 25 teams and tell me who played better. And don't give excuses like k-town just straight cumulative top 25 stats for BM and JG. Then tell me who was better this season

You should just screen shot it and post it in response to anything they say in regards to stats as a reoccurring rebuttal. I’m dead serious

 

[Vol865]

. I guess you count the one vs Alabama because the stat sheet does? Never mind the fact that his play had us VERY MUCH in that game vs the #1 team in the country and he hadn’t even settled in yet? Never mind the ints you’re referring to being against the best defenses in the country as a freshman as well? And btw..... regardless of what KTown says..... his completion % also includes throw aways and drops. It includes being thrown into action vs UF without preparation. Wow......some of you expect WAY too much of a freshman.

As long as you're counting the 1st one against Florida.

 

[Vol865]

Didn't say it was. Saying JG isn't good. The math backs that up. And until UT can get a QB who can throw, read a defense, and move in the pocket, they will keep being mediocre.

Dont forget JG lost the starting job to Dormady and only took over because of his injury. How many games did JG go without putting points on the board then? And the next year?...

Dormady was terrible even in the game he won. He's the reason Jennings got hurt. He had no business playing. Whole team was bad. Ol was worst I've seen. John Kelly and Trey Smith were our offense.

 

[Vol865]

If your comparing stats. Comapre both QBs vs top 25 teams and tell me who played better. And don't give excuses like k-town just straight cumulative top 25 stats for BM and JG. Then tell me who was better this season

Well considering we played all of the top 25 teams in 1st half of the year, when I already admitted he probably should've been benched....

Maurers best game was against UGA and he had 2 huge turnovers in the 2nd half that indefinitely ended any shot we had at winning. He isn't experienced at noticing blitzes and he forces throws into coverage. Really not that hard to figure out if you watch.

 

[1vol8]

As long as you're counting the 1st one against Florida.

Not very fair at all. Everyone knows he was unprepared and only went in because JG was so bad vs UF and we all know he was a MUCH different player once he spent a week with the first team and played with an offense tailored to him.

 

[Vol865]

Not very fair at all. Everyone knows he was unprepared and only went in because JG was so bad vs UF and we all know he was a MUCH different player once he spent a week with the first team and played with an offense tailored to him.

I'm talking about the one Jennings also dropped vs UF that everyone crucified JG for.

 

[1vol8]

Well considering we played all of the top 25 teams in 1st half of the year, when I already admitted he probably should've been benched....

Maurers best game was against UGA and he had 2 huge turnovers in the 2nd half that indefinitely ended any shot we had at winning. He isn't experienced at noticing blitzes and he forces throws into coverage. Really not that hard to figure out if you watch.

HES A FRESHMAN!!!! You expect him to be able to read blitzes and play like a seasoned vet? Why don’t you try and learn Japanese in a month and well call you stupid if you’re not fluent in 30 days? Same exact thing

 

[Vol865]

HES A FRESHMAN!!!! You expect him to be able to read blitzes and play like a seasoned vet? Why don’t you try and learn Japanese in a month and well call you stupid if you’re not fluent in 30 days? Same exact thing

That's the whole point. HE'S NOT THE BEST OPTION RIGHT NOW.

 

[1vol8]

I'm talking about the one Jennings also dropped vs UF that everyone crucified JG for.

I’m not against JG. I want him to succeed and I haven’t seen many crucify him over that one either, But when people want to compare BMs play next to his with only stats alone it’s forces the comparison and the truth is there wasn’t one.

 

[1vol8]

That's the whole point. HE'S NOT THE BEST OPTION RIGHT NOW.

In ways you’re correct. In others you couldn’t be more off base. BM given time is a night and day difference. It’s all about how patient people are willing to be

 

[Vol865]

In ways you’re correct. In others you couldn’t be more off base. BM given time is a night and day difference. It’s all about how patient people are willing to be

One way got us to a bowl game and the other probably wouldn't have because we would've lost to UK and probably Mizzou.

34/72 47.2% 524 yds 2 TD 5 INT
134/226 59.3% 1937 yds 16 TD 6 INT

Idk what else to say so I'll leave it at that.

 

[1vol8]

That's the whole point. HE'S NOT THE BEST OPTION RIGHT NOW.

The truth is hes a much better of an option than we thought given his rank and evaluation from Pruitt. The best games he played were against ranked opponents and in hostile environments. He was thrown to the wolves vs the toughest part of our schedule and listening to people criticizing him for his performance in his VERY FIRST action is annoying and unrealistic.

 

[1vol8]

One way got us to a bowl game and the other probably wouldn't have because we would've lost to UK and probably Mizzou.

34/72 47.2% 524 yds 2 TD 5 INT
134/226 59.3% 1937 yds 16 TD 6 INT

Idk what else to say so I'll leave it at that.

First of all you can see the difference in opportunity between the 2 in the number of attempts. Second you gotta realize BM only attempted 2 passes vs UTC and 1 was a drop 50+ yds downfield. Third he went 4/11 vs UF in a game he clearly wasn’t prepared for. Fourth it can argued that he started UGA already behind at 4/13, so getting up to 47% with as many attempts as he had as a starter, he had to be around 60% wouldn’t you say?

 

[pimo1]

In ways you’re correct. In others you couldn’t be more off base. BM given time is a night and day difference. It’s all about how patient people are willing to be

what you are stating is a hope not a fact. Fact is JG puts up immensely better numbers than him. Every game. Maurers best game is not as good as an average game by JG period. JG only completed 59% of his passes (he was over 60% all year till the Vandy game and that was the weather plain and simple. He completed over 12% higher than Maurer for the year. That's huge especially when someone makes the quibble that JG sucks because he was under 60% by 0.7%...

I am so tired of the JG haters talking out of both sides of their mouths. We should give Maurer time? and lose hoping he is gonna show something he HAS NOT SHOWN. Yet we should pull the plug on JG who has proven for years he is a gamer and CAN WIN. DO we want to win or not? I have said it since game 1 of the season and haven't changed my tune JG gave us the best chance to win this season and if hed actually gotten benched we wouldn't be playing in a bowl game. YOu cannot argue with results and Maurer didn't bring any can he be better than JG in the future? maybe, probably. But this was about this season. As long as JG suits up in orange unless he gets flat beat out he should be our starter period. Marer had literally a few good throws and runs. He threw just as many picks as he threw good balls. The problem was every time JG threw a bad ball it was all people talked about not all the good ones with Maurer it was like the opposite.

JG threw for 4 times as many yards in 3 times as many attempts. completed at a higher rate. threw ints at a MUCH lower rate. Threw 8 times as many TD's got sacked at the same rate. There is not a single meaningful stat Maurer beat JG in period. He wasn't even in the same zip code. I hope the kid develops and plays well for us in the future but I saw nothing that made me think for a second he was a better QB than JG this year. Especially no
W's all the tough wins we got came on JG's watch. They tried to give him and Shrout chances but each time they had to send JG in to bail them out.

 

[1vol8]

I’m not going to retype the same argument so refer to comment 140. And for the record.... once again.... I’m not a JG hater. You’ll never find a post of mine that I made for the sole purpose of discrediting him.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

what you are stating is a hope not a fact. Fact ios JG puts up immensely better numbers than him. Every game. Maurers best game is not as good as an average game by JG period. JG only completed 59% of his passes (he was over 60% all year till the Vandy game and that was the weather plain and simple. He completed over 12% higher than Maurer for the year. That's huge especially when someone makes the quibble that JG sucks because he was under 60% by 0.7%...

I am so tired of the JG haters talking out of both sides of their mouths. We should give Maurer time? and lose hoping he is gonna show something he HAS NOT SHOWN. Yet we should pull the plug on JG who has proven for years he is a gamer and CAN WIN. DO we want to win or not? I have said it since game 1 of the season and haven't changed my tune JG gave us the best chance to win this season and if hed actually gotten benched we wouldn't be playing in a bowl game. YOu cannot argue with results and Maurer didn't bring any can he be better than JG in the future? maybe, probably. But this was about this season. As long as JG suits up in orange unless he gets flat beat out he should be our starter period. Marer had literally a few good throws and runs. He threw just as many picks as he threw good balls. The problem was every time JG threw a bad ball it was all people talked about not all the good ones with Maurer it was like the opposite.

JG threw for 4 times as many yards in 3 times as many attempts. completed at a higher rate. threw ints at a MUCH lower rate. Threw 8 times as many TD's got sacked at the same rate. There is not a single meaningful stat Maurer beat JG in period. He wasn't even in the same zip code. I hope the kid develops and plays well for us in the future but I saw nothing that made me think for a second he was a better QB than JG this year. Especially no
W's all the tough wins we got came on JG's watch. They tried to give him and Shrout chances but each time they had to send JG in to bail them out.

Nice post, well stated, I agree.

 

[k-town_king]

So in other words Hills stats aren’t much better vs the big 10 than Maurers we’re vs the best teams in the SEC as a true freshman. You lost that one.

BM has taken 4x the amount of snaps than JTS. Lost another one.

Different classes homeboy. I’ve told you this over and over. One class isn’t evaluated against another. Hell.... they aren’t even truly evaluated among themselves for that matter. So, please explain how Bailey has more upside AND raw talent if Maurer has the stronger arm, is more accurate from inside OR outside the pocket but has the ability to extend plays and fast enough to hurt an SEC defense. Seems to me Baileys only chance to beat out Maurer is mental and he’s a year behind. He’s an unknown. Simple as that.

11 tds to 2 with less interceptions on 120 more passes is definitely way, way, way better.

The rest is bs. Bailey is ranked higher because he is better in all those areas except mobility.

You can compare between years.
All-Time Football Players

HB #88 ranked qb all-time rankings. 9726 rating
BM Unranked in the all-time rankings. .8817 rating

 

[1vol8]

11 tds to 2 with less interceptions on 120 more passes is definitely way, way, way better.

The rest is bs. Bailey is ranked higher because he is better in all those areas except mobility.

You can compare between years.
All-Time Football Players

HB #88 ranked qb all-time rankings. 9726 rating
BM Unranked in the all-time rankings. .8817 rating

You’re completely clueless how recruiting works, much like the rest of the game, so I’m not going to clog up another thread trying to “teach you to football” . You’ll just have to wait and see what I’m saying. BM, regardless of rank, is the most talented qb in our qb room in 2019 and he’ll be the most talented in 2020 as well. HB doesn’t have his arm strength, accuracy or escape abilities. That’s not a knock on HB. It’s just the truth.

 

[1vol8]

11 tds to 2 with less interceptions on 120 more passes is definitely way, way, way better.

The rest is bs. Bailey is ranked higher because he is better in all those areas except mobility.

You can compare between years.
All-Time Football Players

HB #88 ranked qb all-time rankings. 9726 rating
BM Unranked in the all-time rankings. .8817 rating

And btw, bless your heart for thinking the services actually evaluate

 

[k-town_king]

You’re completely clueless how recruiting works, much like the rest of the game, so I’m not going to clog up another thread trying to “teach you to football” . You’ll just have to wait and see what I’m saying. BM, regardless of rank, is the most talented qb in our qb room in 2019 and he’ll be the most talented in 2020 as well. HB doesn’t have his arm strength, accuracy or escape abilities. That’s not a knock on HB. It’s just the truth.

Lmao. I obviously know more than you as you haven't made sense with anything you have posted about the situation. You need to read a "for dummies" book just to get the basics apparently.

Raw talent he will fourth at best next year, maybe fifth if we pull Holiday.

He is behind JG, Bailey, and Hill. All ranked higher. JG and Hill both produced better in college already.

Bailey is more accurate with a better arm. Mobility is the one area Maurer is better in.

You are literally the only person who thinks the three star .8817 ranked guy is more talented than the four star .97 ranked guy.

Just no. The coaches, players, and talent evaluators agree that he is not the most talented guy we have. I guess you know better.

No knock on BM, just the truth.

 

[1vol8]

Lmao. I obviously know more than you as you haven't made sense with anything you have posted about the situation. You need to read a "for dummies" book just to get the basics apparently.

Raw talent he will fourth at best next year, maybe fifth if we pull Holiday.

He is behind JG, Bailey, and Hill. All ranked higher. JG and Hill both produced better in college already.

Bailey is more accurate with a better arm. Mobility is the one area Maurer is better in.

You are literally the only person who thinks the three star .8817 ranked guy is more talented than the four star .97 ranked guy.

Just no. The coaches, players, and talent evaluators agree that he is not the most talented guy we have. I guess you know better.

No knock on BM, just the truth.

You sure about that?

 

[k-town_king]

You sure about that?

Yes. The coaches, recruiting sites, teammates, and stats backup everything I say.
Take your L and move along.

BM played like a freshman and has some potential. He should be proud of that.

He will be in a qb room with others with as much or more potential and or experience.

 

[1vol8]

Yes. The coaches, recruiting sites, teammates, and stats backup everything I say.
Take your L and move along.

BM played like a freshman and has some potential. He should be proud of that.

He will be in a qb room with others with as much or more potential and or experience.

Lol. Ok.... if you say so