To Protect and to Serve II

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Rickyvol77 said:
This is true. But like I said, I don’t arrest everyone I meet on every call. I know the difference between a criminal and someone making a dumb mistake. Doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have a right to arrest the criminals
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Not for victimless crimes you shouldn’t have that “right” as you call it.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
1st of all the robbers already shot an innocent woman in the head at the store they robbed.
2nd of all, forensics hasn't shown which bullets killed the other two....i could care less about the robbers being shot...so counting them is pointless.

You subscribe to the pre-Columbine law enforcement technique used in movies? Surround the active shooters with a bullhorn and sit back and drink coffee and wait for a FBI negotiator?

This is real world emergency incident response....if you have an active shooter, you neutralize the threat...till there is no threat anymore....and they did...
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You’re trying to have a rational discussion with Huff and it’s not possible
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
We have laws against things like jaywalking. Those laws aren’t to harass some joker who is walking in the street. It’s because if someone is standing in the middle of the street being crazy, they put others in public at risk of injury. Your debate is should there be laws that attempt to prevent these kinds of issues (I.e. shooting a gun in the air, throwing rocks off overpasses, walking in traffic, riding a motorcycle on interstate while standing on it, driving without headlights at night). Yes you are not “intending” to hurt anyone but you absolutely are doing something reckless that could injure or kill someone. Your argument is no one should be bothered with these activities unless something actually happens
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I notice none of the anti-police posters had a coherent response to this post.
 
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hog88 said:
You don’t stop/prevent an 1/8th of people from driving drunk. If prevention was what you are aiming for you would set up at the bar and offer breathalyzer tests before people get into their cars instead of waiting for them to drive a mile down the road into your checkpoint.
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Really... if it was really about safety, they would just make alcohol illegal and shut down all of the bars and restaurants.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
We have laws against things like jaywalking. Those laws aren’t to harass some joker who is walking in the street. It’s because if someone is standing in the middle of the street being crazy, they put others in public at risk of injury. Your debate is should there be laws that attempt to prevent these kinds of issues (I.e. shooting a gun in the air, throwing rocks off overpasses, walking in traffic, riding a motorcycle on interstate while standing on it, driving without headlights at night). Yes you are not “intending” to hurt anyone but you absolutely are doing something reckless that could injure or kill someone. Your argument is no one should be bothered with these activities unless something actually happens
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You pretty much nailed it. Anything else would be arresting people for pre-crime.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It’s always funny how defensive cops get. If you question them, well you’re anti cop or a cop hater. Perhaps I’m a man who believes in natural law that means no harm to anyone and really don’t need your supposed good intentions hindering my life or my wallet.
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Except people who drive drunk or shoot guns in the air or are otherwise reckless DO mean harm to others. Even thru negligence
 
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hog88 said:
it’s a nonsensical post.

I’m not anti cop. I’m anti politicians passing laws that you cops enforce.

My SIL is a cop and I like his philosophy, “you have to be really stupid for me to arrest you”
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I agree with him. And driving drunk is an example of someone being really stupid
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It’s always funny how defensive cops get. If you question them, well you’re anti cop or a cop hater. Perhaps I’m a man who believes in natural law that means no harm to anyone and really don’t need your supposed good intentions hindering my life or my wallet.
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Who’s defensive? I already explained why these laws you hate exist AND I don’t support police who are bullies or do illegal things AND I arrest those who truly are reckless or criminals. you are arguing that all criminal arrests should be reactive not proactive
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Who’s defensive? I already explained why these laws you hate exist AND I don’t support police who are bullies or do illegal things AND I arrest those who truly are reckless or criminals. you are arguing that all criminal arrests should be reactive not proactive
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Sound like cognitive dissonance to me.
 
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As I’ve often stated in this thread as well as the old one, I’d have no problem with cops if they simply protected life and property. However in these times, we are seeing our rights eroded away by an ever increasing police state.
If you take a long look at history you’ll find that every bad actor Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot they never would’ve reached their levels of evil absent police and military. It’s ALWAYS the unwitting police and military who carry out the tyranny. They are, in fact, the sharp point of the politicians spear. But it can’t happen here, right?.....
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
As I’ve often stated in this thread as well as the old one, I’d have no problem with cops if they simply protected life and property. However in these times, we are seeing our rights eroded away by an ever increasing police state.
If you take a long look at history you’ll find that every bad actor Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot they never would’ve reached their levels of evil absent police and military. It’s ALWAYS the unwitting police and military who carry out the tyranny. They are, in fact, the sharp point of the politicians spear. But it can’t happen here, right?.....
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I’m sure there are jurisdictions especially in large cities where this is true, however you can’t cast all the hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers as some big monolith of tyrannical evil either. You probably should have more issues with federal laws than local
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I’m sure there are jurisdictions especially in large cities where this is true, however you can’t cast all the hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers as some big monolith of tyrannical evil either. You probably should have more issues with federal laws than local
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The myth of “just a few bad apples” died long ago. Are some good people cops, sure. The profession itself is morally bankrupt and should be completely reconstructed or possibly abolished. At the end of the day a cop is always going to value his pension/retirement over the rights of the citizens. They will enforce the laws as written. For those who refuse, I exclaim huzzah! But those will be few and far between. There’s simply no such thing as a good cop. It’s all a rigged game to keep the people obedient.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The myth of “just a few bad apples” died long ago. Are some good people cops, sure. The profession itself is morally bankrupt and should be completely reconstructed or possibly abolished. At the end of the day a cop is always going to value his pension/retirement over the rights of the citizens. They will enforce the laws as written. For those who refuse, I exclaim huzzah! But those will be few and far between. There’s simply no such thing as a good cop. It’s all a rigged game to keep the people obedient.
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This is just Antifa type nonsense and can’t be taken seriously. “Some good cops” I’ve worked for over 20 plus years and the number of bad officers I’ve seen is probably 2-5% and 99% of those are weeded out and fired pretty quickly. People don’t become police officers for money or pension or to bully others. I 100% value the right of citizens and I work to keep them safe and to enforce law and order as sworn to uphold the Constitution. Again you just seem to hate any authority probably stemming from an early life issue with your parents.
if We met on the street you would probably would have contempt and hatred for me just because I’m in uniform when in reality I’d probably be one of the nicest people you ever met
 
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