Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[Weezer]

You said Kiffin did an “okay” job at FAU. That’s wrong. That’s what I’m taking about. You’re moving goal posts.

Okay, let me put it like this. Kiffin did a good job for FAU, but that doesn't necessarily translate to him being a good coach in the SEC. We've seen our fair share of coaches that have succeeded in lower divisions flare out when trying to transition to this level.

That better for you? People speak on Kiffin as if he's earned the same respect as Saban, or Meyer, or even Ogre. He's not done anything to earn that. I'm not going to give him that.

 

[csprig9]

You and weezer seem to change the rules as you go. Neither I nor Bearwallow said we were worried about Kiffin. Find it in one of my posts and I'll gladly apologize and recant. I just said I think he is a good coach. I did not say I thought he would be successful at OM one way or the other. I did not say I liked him.
Weezer, if 2 conference championships is not an indicator one way or the other then why make the comparison to Butch?

Didn’t single you out but seems I Struck a nerve didn’t I?
Didn’t change any rules, just read a lot of posts about kiffy boy being back and people being worried....... wonder how scared bama, aubby and LSU fans are?

 

[Weezer]

You and weezer seem to change the rules as you go. Neither I nor Bearwallow said we were worried about Kiffin. Find it in one of my posts and I'll gladly apologize and recant. I just said I think he is a good coach. I did not say I thought he would be successful at OM one way or the other. I did not say I liked him.
Weezer, if 2 conference championships is not an indicator one way or the other then why make the comparison to Butch?

I didn't bring up the two CC argument, I countered it.

I've not changed any rules. I've been adamant about this being opinions, yet some seem to think they're stating fact.

 

[99Vol]

Okay, let me put it like this. Kiffin did a good job for FAU, but that doesn't necessarily translate to him being a good coach in the SEC. We've seen our fair share of coaches that have succeeded in lower divisions flare out when trying to transition to this level.

That better for you? People speak on Kiffin as if he's earned the same respect as Saban, or Meyer, or even Ogre. He's not done anything to earn that. I'm not going to give him that.

Were not talking about what other people said, only myself and bearwallow. We did not place him at the standard of Saban or others. Please separate us from the recruiting forum posters who are currently having a meltdown. Likely the same that can't watch our games without the world ending when we throw an incompletion....

 

[Pane di mais]

What time do we find out about the bowl game?

 

[SweetasSoda]

After taking a look at the recruiting forums I can understand the tenor in this thread. There is a total meltdown in RF. Not warranted of course. The SEC is always going to get new coaches. I also think there are many here that hate LK which changes perspective. Regarding USC, they had sanctions and are down like 20 schollies and bowls which is a tough situation for success and following Carroll was never going to be good to follow after. I have not noticed anyone in this thread anointing Kiffin, just those like me that think he is a good coach and was going to land somewhere sooner or later.

Not sure how you missed all the Kiffin is going to make life difficult for everyone in the West and take all of our recruits especially in Memphis. Limited scholarships at USC while playing in the PAC conference is still better odds than overcoming AL, LSU, Auburn and TA&M. So the question becomes is he a good enough coach to win the 8 or 9 games Ole Miss wants?

 

[Weezer]

Were not talking about what other people said, only myself and bearwallow. We did not place him at the standard of Saban or others. Please separate us from the recruiting forum posters who are currently having a meltdown. Likely the same that can't watch our games without the world ending when we throw an incompletion....

Yeah, that response was to BB about the discussion we were having. It relates to what he has said about LK's job at FAU. Not sure what to tell you beyond that.

 

[99Vol]

See my comment on Butch Jones. Two conference championships. **** the bed at UT.

I didn't bring up the two CC argument, I countered it.

I've not changed any rules. I've been adamant about this being opinions, yet some seem to think they're stating fact.

You said butch had 2 CC's and **** the bed at UT in comparison to Kiffins 2 at FAU. See above my friend.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Again, that’s not what we’re talking about.

Yes, that's what we're talking about. Saying he is a good coach because of those 2 championships and will therefore do well in the SEC is the same thing as BJ.

 

[Weezer]

You said butch had 2 CC's and **** the bed at UT in comparison to Kiffins 2 at FAU. See above my friend.

Yes. BB brought up LK's two CCs. I stated 2 CCs doesn't equate to much in the SEC. Butch was the example.

 

[99Vol]

Not sure how you missed all the Kiffin is going to make life difficult for everyone in the West and take all of our recruits especially in Memphis. Limited scholarships at USC while playing in the PAC conference is still better odds than overcoming AL, LSU, Auburn and TA&M. So the question becomes is he a good enough coach to win the 8 or 9 games Ole Miss wants?

8 or 9 wins, maybe. But I never said he would be successful at OM. Good coaches die in the SEC. I think he would have had a better chance at FSU but I think they are looking bigger...

 

[SweetasSoda]

Is two conference championships a good indicator he will be a bad SEC coach?

That's according to if he performs like Butch. That's why some of us are still waiting to see how he does instead of taking that as evidence that he will do the same thing in the SEC.

 

[Mullins2010]

 

[99Vol]

Yes. BB brought up LK's two CCs. I stated 2 CCs doesn't equate to much in the SEC. Butch was the example.

Actually you didn't say it doesn't equate to 2 CC's in the SEC until now. I would not have argued that point. You were indicating he was not a good coach and comparing him to Butch. He may turn out like Butch in the SEC but their experience is night and day. Also, no one has been successful at FAU. Cincinnati pops into the top 25 every so often...

 

[SweetasSoda]

Bottom line is they don’t like the guy, therefore he’s not a good coach. Too bad that’s not how life works. Some of these people need to pull their heads out of their rear end.

Bottom line is the bromance you have going on with him. He has not accomplished anything as a head coach that makes me think he is going to overtake the SEC. I will wait and see. If he us the 2nd coming if Saban. If he is I will say he is a good head coach. About the best Ole Miss could do though.

 

[Weezer]

8 or 9 wins, maybe. But I never said he would be successful at OM. Good coaches die in the SEC. I think he would have had a better chance at FSU but I think they are looking bigger...

I wouldn't really consider Norvell bigger. They must have missed on some guys IMO.

 

[99Vol]

That's according to if he performs like Butch. That's why some of us are still waiting to see how he does instead of taking that as evidence that he will do the same thing in the SEC.

Indidnt say he would be successful in the SEC. just indicated he was a good coach. I can understand why OM would take a shot with him.

 

[VolGee4]

The two aren’t in the same league as coaches. Kiffin has made his share of stupid mistakes, but he’d coach circles around Jones.

Probably. But he doesn’t have anything to show for it at this moment.

 

[SweetasSoda]

You and weezer seem to change the rules as you go. Neither I nor Bearwallow said we were worried about Kiffin. Find it in one of my posts and I'll gladly apologize and recant. I just said I think he is a good coach. I did not say I thought he would be successful at OM one way or the other. I did not say I liked him.
Weezer, if 2 conference championships is not an indicator one way or the other then why make the comparison to Butch?

Because the 2 conference championships were used to prove he would do well in the SEC. Butch had 2.... We are just saying we will wait to see how he does before saying that Kiffin is something to worry about. People are saying it's a HR hire. I'll wait.

 

[99Vol]

I wouldn't really consider Norvell bigger. They must have missed on some guys IMO.

I knew we could talk it out and agree on something. I think Norvell is a bigger up and comer. Lane has been around a bit. Not sure who is the better coach but Norvell, in that state, at FSU, in the ACC, should have more success... if he doesn't that's a problem for FSU....

 

[SweetasSoda]

You said butch had 2 CC's and **** the bed at UT in comparison to Kiffins 2 at FAU. See above my friend.

Yes, that was in response to the comment that Kiffin's 2 CC proved he would do well in the SEC. Seems like this has been said a few times.

 

[99Vol]

Bottom line is the bromance you have going on with him. He has not accomplished anything as a head coach that makes me think he is going to overtake the SEC. I will wait and see. If he us the 2nd coming if Saban. If he is I will say he is a good head coach. About the best Ole Miss could do though.

He doesn't have a bromance. Quit grouping us with the RF posters please, regarding Butch comparison, you're missing half the conversation. I'm out

 

[Weezer]

Indidnt say he would be successful in the SEC. just indicated he was a good coach. I can understand why OM would take a shot with him.

I can understand why OM would hire him. I'm not ready to call him a good coach. We'll see what happens.

 

[SweetasSoda]

8 or 9 wins, maybe. But I never said he would be successful at OM. Good coaches die in the SEC. I think he would have had a better chance at FSU but I think they are looking bigger...

That's all we have been saying. Others are acting like he is taking over.

 

[Weezer]

I knew we could talk it out and agree on something. I think Norvell is a bigger up and comer. Lane has been around a bit. Not sure who is the better coach but Norvell, in that state, at FSU, in the ACC, should have more success... if he doesn't that's a problem for FSU....

If I were FSU, or any big time P5 school looking for a HC, I think I'd target Rhule from Baylor.