Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[jakez4ut]

I think we are highly sensitive to anything negative in the media too, and rightly so but a lot of negative blurbs about a lot of schools pop up in the news cycle and are just as quickly farted out into the netherworld. The vast populance of the country never see or even care when a negavol story surfaces.

yeah, agreed. we just pay attention to err'thing about TN, so it feels like an onslaught at times.

but you're right. nationally, even regionally, most of it doesn't even get the needle to twitch.

 

[eVOLve]

Agreed. Last years class reminds me of Barnes class with Williams, bone, Bowden and Fulky. . Much better on the field than paper


Really needed a few more elite guys though. Pickens would have changed our view of the WR room going forward a lot

It's going to be helpful to have Gibbs in the rotation next year. Him and Palmer will probably be out top 2 guys. We'll see more of Keyton I'm sure. He seemed to be getting more reps later in the season.

 

[SLICKYINC]

 

[butchna]

Lol, so those 4 players don’t count to your argument then I see. Well let’s talk about his recruiting then.
2018- you get a 3 star Trevon Flowers. The guy only played football his senior year and still was able to jump up to a 3 star. Are staff recognize his talent despite the film
On him and we got him. If not for injuries, he would of been a big contributor the last 2 years. You also have a 3 star guy named Kurott Garland who weighed 240 coming out of high school, we know what he’s turned into and how he’s helped us win ball games this year. Then you also have a 3 star in JT shrout- Pruitt and Helton see talent and take him and he also helped us win a game this year. I bring up these players to show you a glimpse of what true ELITE recruiting is, it’s not all about getting the guys with the best ratings, it’s about looking through the bullchit and actually finding good football players who can help you win games. That’s what makes Pruitt an elite recruiter.

Flashy guys sign on when the flash in the program becomes the norm. Expecting top 10 classes after 4-8 and 5-7 finishes and an 0-2 start is desperate posturing from the usual suspects. Truth is they know better, but they attack while they can...then they shut up for a while until they can pull a negative angle out of their butts.
- VN Nature Films prolly

 

[jakez4ut]

Sure


As a whole his recruiting hasn’t been elite. That’s the discussion

elite as in Bama, clemson, UGA, OSU elite?

well, no. but no one else is recruiting at the same level those schools are, except maybe LSU, presently. and they're a playoff caliber program too most years.

when i see posts like this, i just imagine the op has blinders on, and just deals in 'either/or' parameters.

either it's elite, or it's not. and if it's not, then.........what exactly are you trying say? what's the 'discussion' you're trying to have?

it's apparent to me that the context that's being provided, to foster the 'discussion' you say you want to seemingly have, just gets ignored, your only retort is "it's not elite".

so, what other discussion points do you have to bring to the table besides that? then we can talk.

 

[Chuckie]

Christmas: Silent Night. White Christmas, Bing version.

Secular: Natalie Grant. Cant really think of one.

Songs I turn off: Cant really think of one. Anything relating to Fox. Or, John Boy and Billie. I want to punch them out.

Traditional: O Holy Night (I like for it to have all the verses sung), Silent Night (George Jones version), The First Noel (David Crowder Band)

Secular: Mamacita Donde Esta Santa Claus? (Guster version), Frosty and Rudolph (Perry Como), Carol of the Bells (Straight No Chaser), All I Want for Christmas is You (Mariah) -- Come at me on any of those!

Turn Off Immediately - Any version of Last Christmas, Wonderful Christmastime, Happy Xmas (War is Over)

 

[butchna]

Look I am not saying he’s recruiting poorly. I think he’s doing a very solid job. I just don’t think he’s recruiting good enough to get into the SEC title conversation just yet and that understandable and ok.

I have always said we have to get to 8-10 wins before we even talk about Atlanta and from what I see in recruiting we aren’t skipping that step

This “conversation” is can he recruit vs he’s recruiting at the top possible level considering the state of the program. You showed up too late for the opening presentation.

 

[Brillovol]

Favorite traditional Christmas song(s):
Oh Holy Night and Hark! The Herald Angels Sing

Favorite secular Christmas song:
Tennessee Christmas (Amy Grant version)

Songs I turn off immediately:
Christmas Shoes
Mary Did you Know

Y’all don’t know how to do this right:

Traditional: Carol of the Bells (bonus for Trans Siberian version)

Secular: The Christmas Song by Nat King Cole or White Christmas by Bing Crosby

Worst: I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas

 

[TrueVolsGBOInsider]

Flashy guys sign on when the flash in the program becomes the norm. Expecting top 10 classes after 4-8 and 5-7 finishes and an 0-2 start is desperate posturing from the usual suspects. Truth is they know better, but they attack while they can...then they shut up for a while until they can pull a negative angle out of their butts.
- VN Nature Films prolly

It’s like he forgets. Throughout this century, our top classes have been among are least productive.

 

[BruinVol]

elite as in Bama, clemson, UGA, OSU elite?

well, no. but no one else is recruiting at the same level those schools are, except maybe LSU, presently. and they're a playoff caliber program too most years.

when i see posts like this, i just imagine the op has blinders on, and just deals in 'either/or' parameters.

either it's elite, or it's not. and if it's not, then.........what exactly are you trying say? what's the 'discussion' you're trying to have?

it's apparent to me that the context that's being provided, to foster the 'discussion' you say you want to seemingly have, just gets ignored, your only retort is "it's not elite".

so, what other discussion points do you have to bring to the table besides that? then we can talk.

JMO but elite is top 10 range

I think A&M and auburn are also in that elite range


Add florida as well


That’s the problem

 

[pierce60]

Something to consider when evaluating Pruitts recruiting is that he’s trying to rebuild the lines of scrimmage and those dudes are often lower ranked than skill positions (save Wright, Morris, etc.). Once the LOS is fixed with quality depth I’d imagine we see more skill guys and have higher ranked classes.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Recruiting was well on it way to being elite but we started 1-4. That killed the elite recruiting when a team like LSU and Auburn had good years. The payoff for end of season momentum will have next season or with kids that decide to leave current commit due to coaching change. At the end of the day I don’t know why people even question Pruitts evaluations. His track record at UGA/Bama and even here. Deandre Baker, Jonathan Abrams and Josh Jacobs were those no name 3 stars that people questioned why he wanted them then became 1st rd picks this past yr. look what he is doing with current group. He finds a way to get something out of most everyone whether it’s as a rotational guy or full time guy. He puts them in position to be successful.

Class may not have the elite names but it’s got a lot of guys that can help this team. Holliday May be a 3 star but kid is a big time athlete. Land Baron/big O/Octavious then suddenly DL looks good. Y’all are just having unrealistic expectations

 

[jakez4ut]

Y’all don’t know how to do this right:

Traditional: Carol of the Bells (bonus for Trans Siberian version)

Secular: The Christmas Song by Nat King Cole or White Christmas by Bing Crosby

Worst: I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas

this, but i'd add "last christmas" to the worst list. i haaaate that song.

and i'm partial to "home for the holidays" cause i'm from Tennessee, and my wife is from Pennsylvania....

 

[TN-POSSUM]

?????confused, how am I supposed to wipe? I mean, not me personally but a friend.

Sorry, do you want to know how to wipe your friend's butt?

*If they're sitting on a commode, then front to back. If they're laying down, lift their legs and wipe back to front.... I guess.

 

[jkleno]

No one has ever said he’s a bad recruiter. He’s clearly very, very good at it.

Which is why it is so puzzling that we’re not recruiting at a higher clip than we have during his tenure.

Many kids want to go play for winners and that has not been UT.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Recruiting was well on it way to being elite but we started 1-4. That killed the elite recruiting when a team like LSU and Auburn had good years. The payoff for end of season momentum will have next season or with kids that decide to leave current commit due to coaching change. At the end of the day I don’t know why people even question Pruitts evaluations. His track record at UGA/Bama and even here. Deandre Baker, Jonathan Abrams and Josh Jacobs were those no name 3 stars that people questioned why he wanted them then became 1st rd picks this past yr. look what he is doing with current group. He finds a way to get something out of most everyone whether it’s as a rotational guy or full time guy. He puts them in position to be successful.

Class may not have the elite names but it’s got a lot of guys that can help this team. Holliday May be a 3 star but kid is a big time athlete. Land Baron/big O/Octavious then suddenly DL looks good. Y’all are just having unrealistic expectations

I will be the first to say, I was disappointed with Butler committing and Holiday trending towards us, because I wanted the best elite close, but screw it, we are 7-5 after the worst start ever. I trust Pruitt and what he is doing. Next year will be fun to watch and I’ll be buying my first season tickets in a longggggggg time. GBO

 

[TrueVolsGBOInsider]

Sure


As a whole his recruiting hasn’t been elite. That’s the discussion

Let’s go back to the beginning of the Rivals era in 2002. Tennessee football had the No. 2 ranked recruiting class that year.

However, despite three fewer commitments and a ranking 16 spots below, the 2003 class had as many players become productive starters for Tennessee football and only had two fewer guys see any NFL action. The 2004 class, also outside of the Top 10, was just as predictive.

The next Top 5 class for Tennessee football was 2005. That class had 26 commitments, and only four of those players ever saw NFL action.


You spend too much time on the numbers and not enough on the actual Players.

 

[UTSuave’]

 

[jakez4ut]

JMO but elite is top 10 range

I think A&M and auburn are also in that elite range

ok, you're portion of the 'discussion' is completed then. there's not much to discuss then, past the star rating/class rankings for you. so i can see why you struggle with anyting requiring more thought....you're out of your depths....i understand now.

 

[eVOLve]

Don't forget we have some redshirt guys I think we will see a lot more of next year.

Chris Akporoghene, Sean Brown, Lowe, Tyus Fields to name a few. I'm really excited about the 2 TEs. I think Brown has a lot of upside.

 

[eVOLve]

It's going to be helpful to have Gibbs in the rotation next year. Him and Palmer will probably be out top 2 guys. We'll see more of Keyton I'm sure. He seemed to be getting more reps later in the season.

I forgot to mention Brandon Johnson also.

 

[Sleegro]

To be fair Bru hasn't really been negative about the recruiting. This was started by a mike4vol drive by troll and bru is just an easy target because he will argue semantics with anyone. But he's not the one who said Pruitt can't recruit. He's just arguing over the semantics of calling the last 2 classes elite vs very good under the circumstances.

 

[butchna]

It’s like he forgets. Throughout this century, our top classes have been among are least productive.

When Fulmer started focusing on stars more than personal evaluation? That’s when our talent level dropped when the stars were filed and the response to coaching began. More Chris Donald and Daniel Brooks less Patrick Willis. Landing top rated talent is never bad thing...unless you fail to vett them personally.

 

[BubbaWms]

Christmas: Silent Night. White Christmas, Bing version.

Bing and Bowie....Peace on Earth/Drummer Boy hands down for our family



but I digress, GBO

 

[Sleegro]

That's totes adorbs.