The Impeachment Thread

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0nelilreb said:
Sooooo you would be really adamant when you advised him not to testify under oath in a room full of lawyers and politicians ? I would be to .
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I wouldn't be in a position to do so because I'd have long ago been fired or quit because I would not defend his constant lying.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There are some bad precedents being set right now in terms of oversight. It's hard to see how any President refusing to comply with subpoenas and blocking witnesses from testifying is anything positive for the future of our country... and there will eventually be a Republican controlled House with a Democratic Party President again.
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Wait what ? Precedents being set now ? As in presidents in the past haven’t done that ? Are you sure about that ?
 
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#24,128
0nelilreb said:
Sooooo you would be really adamant when you advised him not to testify under oath in a room full of lawyers and politicians ? I would be to .
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Of course Trump is never going to testify. No one ever assumed he would. He's less likely to testify than to release his oft promised tax returns. He's guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. The rest is on congress.
 
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No Schiff or Goldman on the Judiciary committee, unless Goldman moves over there, but they already have a lawyer.

I actually think Trump could Lewandowski his way through hearings before that committee and his supporters would have more than a few videos of John Ratcliffe glossing over bad facts to watch while pleasuring themselves.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
No Schiff or Goldman on the Judiciary committee, unless Goldman moves over there, but they already have a lawyer.

I actually think Trump could Lewandowski his way through hearings before that committee and his supporters would have more than a few videos of John Ratcliffe glossing over bad facts to watch while pleasuring themselves.
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The debate is silly. No way Trump could sit there with the optics of his having to answer their questions. His head would just explode.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course Trump is never going to testify. No one ever assumed he would. He's less likely to testify than to release his oft promised tax returns. He's guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. The rest is on congress.
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And Congress is waiting to see how the voters are reacting . We already knew how this would turn out when the left started stretching it out . The worse thing the Dems did was follow up the RussianGate thing with a long drawn out impeachment “ investigation” that looks to be stalling .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Wait what ? Precedents being set now ? As in presidents in the past haven’t done that ? Are you sure about that ?
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I'm sure that no President has ever displayed the total non-compliance with oversight that Trump's administration has. Also, Trump is the first President since LBJ to not release his tax returns, and since Pence hasn't released his either, that is an unprecedented lack of transparency in modern times.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm sure that no President has ever displayed the total non-compliance with oversight that Trump's administration has. Also, Trump is the first President since LBJ to not release his tax returns, and since Pence hasn't released his either. That is an unprecedented lack of transparency in modern times.
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So it’s not that others haven’t , we just don’t like the way Trump is doing it ? Lol
 
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0nelilreb said:
Wait what ? Precedents being set now ? As in presidents in the past haven’t done that ? Are you sure about that ?
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There is no precedent to how Trump has thumbed his nose at the legal system while his worshipers have so willingly turned a blind eye.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm sure that no President has ever displayed the total non-compliance with oversight that Trump's administration has. Also, Trump is the first President since LBJ to not release his tax returns, and since Pence hasn't released his either, that is an unprecedented lack of transparency in modern times.
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Pretty sure Nixon tried.
 
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luthervol said:
There is no precedent to how Trump has thumbed his nose at the legal system while his worshipers have so willingly turned a blind eye.
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Well to be fair , if you guys would hurry up and actually nail him on something .... you can’t tell me that 67% of the Washington elite can’t find something real on Trump , can you ?
 
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0nelilreb said:
And Congress is waiting to see how the voters are reacting . We already knew how this would turn out when the left started stretching it out . The worse thing the Dems did was follow up the RussianGate thing with a long drawn out impeachment “ investigation” that looks to be stalling .
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I think it was the right thing to do. If the voters never reach critical mass, it will be an indictment on the voters, but at least congress will have upheld their sworn duty.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He released his taxes in 1973. I just looked it up.... also, just like Trump, Nixon was under audit. Remember that excuse? There is nothing that says you can't release your taxes to the public when you are under audit.
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No, I meant Nixon tried to fight oversight the way Trump is fighting it. He lost.
 
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luthervol said:
I think it was the right thing to do. If the voters never reach critical mass, it will be an indictment on the voters, but at least congress will have upheld their sworn duty.
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We will see what congress does first . A censure will be a failure ( in my opinion ) because the main goal was impeaching and changing votes . A censure means nothing and that’s how it will be viewed even from the left , I’d bet .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Well to be fair , if you guys would hurry up and actually nail him on something .... you can’t tell me that 67% of the Washington elite can’t find something real on Trump , can you ?
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They've already found obstruction and bribery. There is more in the pipeline.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, you didn't read that correctly. No administration has a worse record of compliance with oversight than Trump's. It will stand as a bad precedent.
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So some non compliance is ok just not to the scale of Trumps ? Luthers continuum theory ?
 
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volfanhill said:
As long as your client is lying to you or the court why would you care?
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Well in court I cannot introduce perjured testimony.

If I took a job at the White House I guess I am naive enough to think I'd do it out of a sense of duty to the country, not a sense of duty to an irrational cult, as is the case with Trump. He has run out of there any principled people.
 
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0nelilreb said:
We will see what congress does first . A censure will be a failure ( in my opinion ) because the main goal was impeaching and changing votes . A censure means nothing and that’s how it will be viewed even from the left , I’d bet .
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It's basically just about driving home the point that Trump is a horrendously despicable human who should not be president.
If enough of the public continues to turn a blind eye, so be it. History will judge.
 
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