To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Every vehicle outside of maybe motorcycles (and even that may not be true) has at least 2 tailights. Relax.



You must not have seen the same video I saw. The video I saw was of the cop pulling out his gun as soon as he exited the cruiser. What insight did that cop have at that very moment that the driver wasn't going to show ID? And the driver did get out of the car, but the cop asked him to get back in the car while he had his Glock aimed at him.



I'm not arguing whether the driver broke the law. So what? For violating a minor traffic law, you get to have some sadist roll up on you with guns blazing?
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He took his gun out because the guy had refused to pull over for him and drove to a parking lot for a specific reason, the threat level is a little higher when someone evades the police
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I guess my thing is that most cops simply don't understand several simple things when it comes to interacting with civilians. One, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. If the only interaction most people have with cops is petty assed traffic violations or citations that are going to drain money out of their pockets for the smallest of infractions, then how can they really expect much civilian support? Also, in their effort to gain "command presence", they end up either escalating a situation or just being disrespectful and arrogant. Lastly, the fishing and poking that cops do in an effort to shakedown and trap citizens ("You mind if I search your car?", "Where are you going?", "Any guns or bombs in you car?")... It's like the 4th Amendment doesn't even register in their day to day interactions with civilians. And to be honest, they should assume ALL citizens have a gun since the 2A is still legal (for now).
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I'm with you on most of that.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He took his gun out because the guy had refused to pull over for him and drove to a parking lot for a specific reason, the threat level is a little higher when someone evades the police
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So, how long have you been a deputy sheriff? You sound like most 25 year old punks driving a worn out Crown Vic. making a "high threat level" stop because someone didn't put their car in a ditch when the "I'm looking for a drunk" lights came on.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He took his gun out because the guy had refused to pull over for him and drove to a parking lot for a specific reason, the threat level is a little higher when someone evades the police
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If you feel the need to draw your firearm when you approach a vehicle, why are you approaching it to begin with? Get on your PA and do a "call back". Transition to high-risk tactics. Stay behind cover (your engine block) and call for backup. The days of the "high-speed window rush" are over...and rightfully so.

Didn't watch the video, but an approach with gun drawn should never have been an approach, IMO. There are other, better ways these days.
 
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I got chewed out my some anabolic ******* cop because I drove to a parking lot to pull over. It was right in front of us so it's not like I took him on a high speed chase. I'm not pulling over into a bike lane on a busy street in the middle of rush hour traffic. I was calm and courteous in explaining this to the officer, but he just ranted and raved and told me how he could have taken me to jail for what I did. I just rolled my eyes. Some of these guys are mental.

This was all for failing to use a turn signal, lol.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I got chewed out my some anabolic ******* cop because I drove to a parking lot to pull over. It was right in front of us so it's not like I took him on a high speed chase. I'm not pulling over into a bike lane on a busy street in the middle of rush hour traffic. I was calm and courteous in explaining this to the officer, but he just ranted and raved and told me how he could have taken me to jail for what I did. I just rolled my eyes. Some of these guys are mental.

This was all for failing to use a turn signal, lol.
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Parking lot or exit ramp (when reasonable) if a cop is pulling me over, they'll just have to deal with it.
 
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I feel sorry for greywolf in this thread because he knows how most cops treat people and he can't defend it. He seems like a decent dude though.
 
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VolStrom said:
I feel sorry for greywolf in this thread because he knows how most cops treat people and he can't defend it. He seems like a decent dude though.
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I enjoy the dialogue, and trust me...there are quite a few folks out there who don't care for me at all. Sometimes, you have to be the butthole.
 
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VolStrom said:
I feel sorry for greywolf in this thread because he knows how most cops treat people and he can't defend it. He seems like a decent dude though.
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"most cops" :rolleyes: there are 4 million interactions between law enforcement and citizens, every year...i think you would be suprised at how probably 85% of them go
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
If you have ever had someone run from you in a stolen car, drive into Lot A at Walter P, then run inside their cousin's apt to get a gun, you would know what i am talking about
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I can say that I have never had that happen to me but I have to ask, if a person is going to run WTH is stopping them regardless of where they are at?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
"most cops" :rolleyes: there are 4 million interactions between law enforcement and citizens, every year...i think you would be suprised at how probably 85% of them go
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So if 85% go well and 15% don't go well you're saying that it's okay that 600,000 people every year get harassed by the police? Maybe you'd like to volunteer to be on the receiving end?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
If you have ever had someone run from you in a stolen car, drive into Lot A at Walter P, then run inside their cousin's apt to get a gun, you would know what i am talking about
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Walter P Taylor homes, another victory for socialism in Tennessee. Knox county reaps what they sowed when they decided to build a "housing complex" for the poor and put thieves and drug dealers together into a concentrated pool.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Good luck with that. “Got any drugs or guns in the car, sir? Mind if I search your vehicle?”
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It all depends on what you look like and what you drive. If you're missing a tooth or two and you're driving a 97 Camry you're screwed. If you're well dressed and driving an expensive car, you're screwed. I think cops pigeon hole people into 2 categories, no money and probably guilty of something or plenty of money lets rape his ass.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Good luck with that. “Got any drugs or guns in the car, sir? Mind if I search your vehicle?”
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I've only been asked about guns once and yes I did have one and it was loaded, cop was cool about it even though there wasn't such a thing as CC then. I've never been asked about drugs but I'm a white guy.

Last time I was pulled over it was buy a 20something Barney and he decided to lecture me. I told him to shut it and write the ticket.
 
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hog88 said:
I've only been asked about guns once and yes I did have one and it was loaded, cop was cool about it even though there wasn't such a thing as CC then. I've never been asked about drugs but I'm a white guy.

Last time I was pulled over it was buy a 20something Barney and he decided to lecture me. I told him to shut it and write the ticket.
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I'm surprised he didn't call the drug dog that automatically "alerts" to anything you own and then you go to jail for a decade or more for drug dealing.
 
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