The Impeachment Thread

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Weezer said:
Those measures tend to come more into play after years pass. When people look back on Trump and see those measures, the economy, unemployment numbers, etc., how do you think he will fare? Does that really make him a good POTUS?
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Too soon to tell but as far as working with Congress goes, he's done precious little beyond sign a tax bill that any of the Republican candidates would have gone along with.
 
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Ty4Vols said:
You literally called me out for not using my own intelligent argument right after saying you were going to steal someone else's arguement.
You're hypocrisy is showing! View attachment 240048
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Negative ghost rider, that pattern is full.
I'm not stealing his line to make any arguments....I'm stealing his line to tell people at work while we are all laughing at dumbassery. No hipocrasy here, Better luck next time though. 😎
 
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Weezer said:
Have I taken a side? I don't believe I have. I just don't agree that you and those who have responded are 2+2=4 people. Certainly not Luther who thinks whether the Earth is round or flat is an opinion.
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So how do you prove the Earth is round to those who believe that it is flat? They will have a counter argument to every one of your points. They will just find you to be some elitist snob who thinks his own opinion is more worthy than their own.

The Flat Earth Society
Are Flat-Earthers Being Serious?
 
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volinsd said:
Negative ghost rider, that pattern is full.
I'm not stealing his line to make any arguments....I'm stealing his line to tell people at work while we are all laughing at dumbassery. No hipocrasy here, Better luck next time though. 😎
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I do need new and imaginative arguements. Your use of the 1986 Top Gun flight tower guy was so compelling and did wonders for you in making your point.
 
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Only 5 more minutes until truth time with Rachel.

How to trigger the right using 1 picture and 1 sentence. Your welcome!
 
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Weezer said:
Again, I think you misinterpret my point.
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Do I, though?
Here’s what I said your point was:

RockyTop85 said:
Which presumes that Vindman has “a side.”

So you’re looking at his answer and saying “well 4 is closer to 3 so he must be a democrat so he can’t be trusted so we can’t trust that the answer is 4.”
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  1. Vindman is saying what you want to hear.
Weezer said:
The other hasn't been subjected to investigation like the one, so how do we know he hasn't done anything? Point being, what made it okay to question and investigate the one, and what makes it not okay to question and investigate the other? Is it because the other is saying what you want to hear? It's all political IMO.
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Weezer said:
But let's be real for a moment. You believe Vindman because you dislike Trump. Others attack Vindman because they like Trump. I'm not taking sides, just pointing out a simple truth. People are more likely to defend those who echo what they themselves believe. Having a Purple Heart, while highly commendable and something deserving of respect, does not mean someone is above repute. Just an observation.
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2. Vindman is political.

Weezer said:
First, I think you're twisting things. Second, when people get involved in politics, how I view them changes. Politics is complicated and never simple.
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3. So, how can you know he can be trusted? (Also, I have no articulable reason not to trust him.)

Weezer said:
Do you know the man personally? If not, how can you really know his integrity? Lots of good people have done bad things throughout history. I've not said Vindman is one of them, but you seem to think I have. I've just said using the "Purple Heart" argument doesn't mean he is beyond reproach. Hell, I've even said that Trump supporters will be more inclined to attack/question him. Perhaps I've made my point poorly, or maybe you just don't want to see my point.
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4. Would he stand up to investigation?
Weezer said:
I wasn't saying investigate him. Or at least that's not what was meant. Would he stand up to investigation though? I didn't make the comparison between Flynn and Vindman, but it was made. Some act as if Vindman is beyond reproach because of his service. He's not, and neither was Flynn.
And just being honest, I think this whole mess has been more political theater than anything substantive. And personally, I think any case the Dems may have had was damaged by secret testimony and Schiff's rules. So yeah, I question the testimony of everyone involved. I'm not saying Trump is innocent, but IMO, the Dems have not proven guilt. I think they've raised legitimate questions, but that doesn't equate to proving their case. But I also believe that each side, Dem or GOP, is going to believe their side has somehow won. Personally, I think we've all lost.
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5. It’s possible he’s a democrat.
Weezer said:
I don't think it's beyond the possibility he has a side. I'm not sure how many times I have to mention I'm suspicious of anyone involved in politics for the point to be made. If it helps, I don't believe it's definitive he has a side.
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Wow the DNC/Media apparatus really fired up today for some reason. DNC demanding Kansas recuse and the NYT & WaPo are desperate to get out in front of the IG report.

 
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evillawyer said:
I seriously doubt Nunes had the idea on his own to stop milking cows and pack up his bags to go to Europe to dig up dirt on Biden.
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Very unlikely Parnas has evidence to show Nunes' marching orders, though.

Sure it makes him look like a stooge, but we already knew that.
 
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Weezer said:
Is this how you argue a case to a jury? Just curious.

Listen, I've never said Vindman was guilty of anything. I've also never said he's innocent of everything. Our knowledge of any given situation is based upon personal observation and interpretation. You must face this with juries. The point I've made all along, the one that seems misinterpreted, or misrepresented, is what we believe is shaped by what we want to believe. Vindman may be a good and decent man, but at the same time, those on the left want to believe that. He could also be a tool in a game to unseat the POTUS, which is what the right wants to believe. Our picture of the man is limited to what we see on TV in his testimony. How credible that testimony is depends on who you ask. Is that really so incomprehensible?
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The only tool is the President who made that phone call to Zelinsky which set off alarms for many interviewed in the impeachment hearing, including a lady who worked in Pence's office. Sondland, who gave a gajllion dollars to the President said there was a quid pro quo..

Most of these people testifying worked under Bush/Obama and even some longer than that, but we are to believe because they did their public duty and didn't ignore a subpoena they lean Democrat and are bias?

2+2=4 is that the money was released just after Congress became aware of the whistleblower complaint and the fact that Mulvaney said in a press conference that it was being held for investigations. (even though they had already investigated for corruption in that country and had gotten the Bi-partisan go ahead to release it to Ukraine) Zelinsky was warned by several not to get mixed up in American politics but must have felt he had no choice, since he planned to announce on CNN that he was investigating the Bidens to satisfy Trump. Once the money was released, he cancelled the interview.

You can have a benefit of the doubt, but there is more than enough evidence here to raise red flags and not start throwing a serviceman who has no criminal record under a bus because FOX news needed some smoke and mirrors.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Very unlikely Parnas has evidence to show Nunes' marching orders, though.

Sure it makes him look like a stooge, but we already knew that.
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How does the Nunes association with Lev Parnas not come up until the last day of the inquiry though? It puts everything Nunes said in a very different light.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How does the Nunes association with Lev Parnas not come up until the last day of the inquiry though? It puts everything Nunes said in a very different light.
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Nunes was just reading from the QAnon thread. Not sure there’s another light for that other than the batshit crazy signal and that one was shining real bright.
 
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