2020 Presidential Race

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#19,028
Weezer said:
If someone chooses for themselves to undergo such therapy, that's their choice. "Submit" makes it sound like they're being coerced. No one should be pressured into making that choice.
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Maybe I should have used the word "undergo" since I did not mean to be forced .
 
#19,029
#19,029
Weezer said:
Pete shouldn't have to say that. Why should anyone be persecuted over who they love? How does him being attracted to men make him any less a person?
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Nope. Nor does it make him special and it should not give him any more rights or privileges than anyone else.
 
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#19,034
SpaceCoastVol said:
Nope. Nor does it make him special and it should not give him any more rights or privileges than anyone else.
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I didn't say it should, but if you're talking marital rights, gay people aren't seeking any "more" rights, just the "same" rights as afforded married couples. I see no reason they shouldn't have those same rights.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
What special privileges do you think it grants?
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Makes crimes against them hate crimes right?

Means I cant choose not to serve one.

Theres equality. Which they should have.
Theres the equality they think white straight men have, which doesnt exist, but sounds nice.
Then theres any type of special status.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
What special privileges do you think it grants?
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I have already said I am against forcing an employer to hire someone BECAUSE they are members of a protected class, regardless of whether they are the best candidate for the job. Granted, it is a few rotten apples that have ruined it for a larger number, (via lawsuits) but NO ONE should be hired BECAUSE they are gay/black/female/whatever. Same thing with forcing a business to serve someone in one of those classes if they don't want to. Let the market sort it out. And the SJWs should stay out of it as well. Ruins the cause imho. You don't want to serve gays, they won't go there and spend their money. Yes, it is a sticky wicket to a degree, but I think the market is a better discriminator than the .gov.

Fire away
 
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LouderVol said:
Makes crimes against them hate crimes right?

Means I cant choose not to serve one.

Theres equality. Which they should have.
Theres the equality they think white straight men have, which doesnt exist, but sounds nice.
Then theres any type of special status.
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As to the first one: Potentially. I don’t feel particularly put upon by learning that if I illegally murder or beat a gay man it might be a hate crime.

The civil rights act is what makes it illegal to refuse to serve a protected class. I suppose there’s more of a beef there, but it’s still equal treatment since the civil rights act just outlaws bases for discrimination. It doesn’t say you can’t discriminate against black people, it says you can’t discriminate on the basis of race, so it just enforces treating everyone equally. You’d still have the religious basis to refuse to serve as that’s not recognized under the 1A and the civil rights act cannot countermand that.

Don’t know enough about the last two to comment on that.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I have already said I am against forcing an employer to hire someone BECAUSE they are members of a protected class, regardless of whether they are the best candidate for the job. Granted, it is a few rotten apples that have ruined it for a larger number, (via lawsuits) but NO ONE should be hired BECAUSE they are gay/black/female/whatever.
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there’s no class that receives this as a protection.

Same thing with forcing a business to serve someone in one of those classes if they don't want to. Let the market sort it out. And the SJWs should stay out of it as well. Ruins the cause imho. You don't want to serve gays, they won't go there and spend their money. Yes, it is a sticky wicket to a degree, but I think the market is a better discriminator than the .gov.

Fire away
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Not going to be firing. I responded substantively to Louder and while I don’t personally feel like this is necessarily government overreach I’m not gonna sit here and tell you that you can’t care about your ability to refuse service to a person based on their sexual preference without any religious objection. Just an agreed to disagree thing, I guess.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
there’s no class that receives this as a protection.



Not going to be firing. I responded substantively to Louder and while I don’t personally feel like this is necessarily government overreach I’m not gonna sit here and tell you that you can’t care about your ability to refuse service to a person based on their sexual preference without any religious objection. Just an agreed to disagree thing, I guess.
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well OK then. I'm convinced
 
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