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Pruitt could also be playing the Barnes strategy of rebuild. At least until he's got a "full" 85.

Meaning he's willing to take a bit more 3 and 4 star projects that he plans to have for a full 4 years. I'm sure he's going after the big fish, but I don't think he's at the point with on the field results yet to swim in those waters,

We're not far removed from the coaching carousel we went through, and with that Georgia State loss still fresh in people's mind. We may be bought in that Pruitt is the guy and he'll be here awhile, but recruits might still be unsure.
 
I would rather have a coach that can get the most out of his position than a recruiter that can’t cut it on the field. When we start winning the recruiting will get easier

Agreed. Look at all of the 5* busts we had on the LOS in recent years. We haven't coached those guys up properly in a hell of a long time.
 
Could still see some late game flips too, I'm not too worried about the class until ESD comes. That's when it'll matter, these kids flip flop a lot on their commitments you basically don't know anything until the ink dries.

Bailey hasn't been doing much recruiting for us either, seems our best in-class recruiters are Lawrence, Cooper, & the Whitehaven Trio. I also wonder if the youth of the DL is hurting us a bit with some of these guys...we won't have any departures in that room assuming no one leaves unexpectedly. So some of these guys may be wanting to start early and Auburn etc. are selling 'em that they can harder than we are.
 
It makes no sense that on field play and player development has started trending up and recruiting has started trending down.
I’ve been very surprised that we aren’t playing in elite territory recruiting wise. I thought Pruitt was basically a defensive version of Kiffin.

Early season blunders have really stalled the overall recruiting momentum we once had. The Ga St loss continues to bite us.
 
Early season blunders have really stalled the overall recruiting momentum we once had. The Ga St loss continues to bite us.
To be honest I’m not entirely sure what the issue is. Pruitt is very clearly a good recruiter and good football coach.

It seems like he’s had an issue early in each cycle determining which recruits are “takes” and closing on elite prospects late in each cycle. Of course there are exceptions and a lot of the issue can likely be attributed to a lack of on-field success both during his tenure and Tennessee as a whole over the last decade.

And to be honest, I’m not complaining about recruiting - it could be easily argued we are recruiting better than our record warrants. Recruiting has been very good. I just assumed when we hired him we would get a handful of elite players every year - especially on the defensive side of the ball. We’ve got a few of those guys - I’m just not sure there’s been enough to make a difference.
 
Yep. I said this over 2 weeks ago.

Was summarily ripped by the legion of small minded proles that make up a significant portion of this board.

Bunch of fooking retards.

To have Sugar in your name, you sure don't act sweet...

I think there will be some attrition in the staff, just how things go. Start of the season I was fine with Rocker and Weinke being our "dead weight" sacrifices, can't say that's really changed. I think the DL has improved, but experience, Fitz & soft schedule could rightfully be part of that as much as Rocker developing them. The most growth on the team has been on the OL, and there's been two things contributing to that.

1. another OL mind in the hiring of Chaney
2. elite recruiting

I feel like YAC doesn't get anywhere near the type of credit he deserves, the WRs really looked better last year and the RBs have improved under him. He also recruits pretty well, at least based on 247's information.
 
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To be honest I’m not entirely sure what the issue is. Pruitt is very clearly a good recruiter and good football coach.

It seems like he’s had an issue early in each cycle determining which recruits are “takes” and closing on elite prospects late in each cycle. Of course there are exceptions and a lot of the issue can likely be attributed to a lack of on-field success both during his tenure and Tennessee as a whole over the last decade.

And to be honest, I’m not complaining about recruiting - it could be easily argued we are recruiting better than our record warrants. Recruiting has been very good. I just assumed when we hired him we would get a handful of elite players every year - especially on the defensive side of the ball. We’ve got a few of those guys - I’m just not sure there’s been enough to make a difference.
the 19 class has a very good core of elite players.
but here's the thing about this particular class.

it has been widely documented with most all of the prospects, the higher rated ones, that they were going to be paying attent to what kind of progress TN showed on the field. and that that progress would be a factor in the decision.

it's also been widely reported on how close this particular crop of in state kids were, and that it was, on some level, a desire to play together if possible.

it's also been widely accepted and loosely reported that kids like Baron and Hardy have been strong TN leans for MONTHS.

and based on everything we've seen so far this year, despite the slow start to the season, we've seen a bunch of these in state kids get in the boat, including Mays and Lawrence, we've seen the defensive development this season...especially on the DL. we've seen the in state kids take multiple visits to TN this fall.

imo, everything we were supposed to do to land the bulk of this in state crop....we've done it. and not landing Hardy, and possibly not landing Baron would scream all kinds of shadiness on someone's part.

there's zero doubt in my mind that this staff hasn't done everything they're supposed to. it's not like these kids haven't been made priorities and been "shown the love" etc....

just for some...........................that's all BS. and every year we have some of these, where in state or not, it just doesn't matter. relationships don't matter. and this year, it appears Hardy is one of those. it didn't matter what we did, he was going to hte highest bidder. period, so now we've jsut wasted a year and a half ( or more ) on someone that couldn't care less about coming here.
 
We're 21st in recruiting for 2020 as of right now.

Most of the teams ahead of us make sense....the ones that I puzzle me and I don't like seeing ahead of us are

16 - Miami (5-4 with a first time HC) granted FSU being bad help them, and they are in Florida...still surprised they are this high
17 - North Carolina I guess old Mack Brown is doing big things, just surprised since they've been primarily around 30th every year
18 - FSU (seriously????) is Florida this rich in talent that they can support 3 teams in the top 20 while also having lots of talent poached from out of state schools? They should be falling apart with Willie being awful and now being fired.
20 - Mississippi State how? they are face planting and look more likely to return to a bottom feeder than maintaining the success Mullen managed there
 
the 19 class has a very good core of elite players.
but here's the thing about this particular class.

it has been widely documented with most all of the prospects, the higher rated ones, that they were going to be paying attent to what kind of progress TN showed on the field. and that that progress would be a factor in the decision.

it's also been widely reported on how close this particular crop of in state kids were, and that it was, on some level, a desire to play together if possible.

it's also been widely accepted and loosely reported that kids like Baron and Hardy have been strong TN leans for MONTHS.

and based on everything we've seen so far this year, despite the slow start to the season, we've seen a bunch of these in state kids get in the boat, including Mays and Lawrence, we've seen the defensive development this season...especially on the DL. we've seen the in state kids take multiple visits to TN this fall.

imo, everything we were supposed to do to land the bulk of this in state crop....we've done it. and not landing Hardy, and possibly not landing Baron would scream all kinds of shadiness on someone's part.

there's zero doubt in my mind that this staff hasn't done everything they're supposed to. it's not like these kids haven't been made priorities and been "shown the love" etc....

just for some...........................that's all BS. and every year we have some of these, where in state or not, it just doesn't matter. relationships don't matter. and this year, it appears Hardy is one of those. it didn't matter what we did, he was going to hte highest bidder. period, so now we've jsut wasted a year and a half ( or more ) on someone that couldn't care less about coming here.
All that is true - and I don’t expect to get every single player just because they’re in state. And I’m not hurt by a defensive lineman picking Auburn over us - the track record is there and it makes a lot of sense.

My general questions about recruiting aren’t focused on one prospect here or one prospect there - it’s more of a general question about our ability to attract elite talent.

We’re not fishing in the deep waters I assumed we would be fishing in when Pruitt was hired. I was sure his recruiting would be far ahead of his head coaching ability initially and we’d take some lumps until he brought two or three classes into the fold.

Recruiting has been very good and I don’t think we should be panicking. I’m more surprised by our lack of elite recruits than disappointed by it, I guess is the best way to put it.
 
We’re 21st in recruiting and we’re 4-5. There’s plenty of room for improvement.
Nope, don’t like your take
We are losing in recruiting because we crapped the bed at the beginning of the year. It’s quite apparent this is a different team now, and those guys had a hand in it
 
To be honest I’m not entirely sure what the issue is. Pruitt is very clearly a good recruiter and good football coach.

It seems like he’s had an issue early in each cycle determining which recruits are “takes” and closing on elite prospects late in each cycle. Of course there are exceptions and a lot of the issue can likely be attributed to a lack of on-field success both during his tenure and Tennessee as a whole over the last decade.

And to be honest, I’m not complaining about recruiting - it could be easily argued we are recruiting better than our record warrants. Recruiting has been very good. I just assumed when we hired him we would get a handful of elite players every year - especially on the defensive side of the ball. We’ve got a few of those guys - I’m just not sure there’s been enough to make a difference.

The issue is that we're 4-5 and haven't been nationally relevant in 18 years. We also don't put anyone in the draft. Pruitt and co. can get kids interested in UT but ultimately other programs with more recent success can negative recruit the hell out of us while also pointing out their own success. Probably pretty easy to get kids to believe that if they come to UT, they'll cap out at a Music City Bowl appearance, be underdeveloped, and go undrafted based on what happened under CBJ.
 
To have Sugar in your name, you sure don't act sweet...

I think there will be some attrition in the staff, just how things go. Start of the season I was fine with Rocker and Weinke being our "dead weight" sacrifices, can't say that's really changed. I think the DL has improved, but experience, Fitz & soft schedule could rightfully be part of that as much as Rocker developing them. The most growth on the team has been on the OL, and there's been two things contributing to that.

1. another OL mind in the hiring of Chaney
2. elite recruiting

I feel like YAC doesn't get anywhere near the type of credit he deserves, the WRs really looked better last year and the RBs have improved under him. He also recruits pretty well, at least based on 247's information.

I would agree on YAC...think is underrated. Unfortunately he has one of the contracts expiring soon. I think Weinke is gone at the end of the season. Rocker is paid too highly for the results...if they bring him back he needs to be taking a pay cut. I want to say Sherrer has another year on his contract and I don't think we are looking to pay buyouts after the last 10 years.
 
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All that is true - and I don’t expect to get every single player just because they’re in state. And I’m not hurt by a defensive lineman picking Auburn over us - the track record is there and it makes a lot of sense.

My general questions about recruiting aren’t focused on one prospect here or one prospect there - it’s more of a general question about our ability to attract elite talent.

We’re not fishing in the deep waters I assumed we would be fishing in when Pruitt was hired. I was sure his recruiting would be far ahead of his head coaching ability initially and we’d take some lumps until he brought two or three classes into the fold.

Recruiting has been very good and I don’t think we should be panicking. I’m more surprised by our lack of elite recruits than disappointed by it, I guess is the best way to put it.
well, again, if you believe what many have said, this kid and baron have been in the boat privately for months. and at least were confirming to coaches, players and prospects/commits a week and a half ago that they were still in.

so again, i think this has way more to do with shady ish going on at Auburn, than anything we supposedly didn't do here.
 
If Johnson is replaced it'll be because of a promotional opportunity I think. Dude is a great coach and good recruiter, no clue why people think otherwise.
I don’t necessarily think he’s a bad coach but we’re not exactly killing it in RB recruiting and catching balls and pass pro has been a weakness from our RBs tbh.
 
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