Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

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not arguing. if any of us don't think our beloved schools werent engaging in this anyway, you need to reconsider. it may not be what we want to happen, but, it's what needed to happen.
 
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jackcrevol said:
Why do i want to help this kid? Does he need attention that bad? More specifically, why and what the hell is an IG model? Is that a self professed thing?

Ok then. I proclaim King of VN Recruiting Forum! Amirite? Pretty stupid huh?

Social media is literally the dumbest thing of all time. Someone do this kid a favor and message him, 'son, you need real human interaction. get after it'. Anyway wth do i know?

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ya old geezer
 
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VolInDayton said:
Hahaha and only 500k people would know you are charity case. I've never looked at it like that but it's funny.
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Well I guess what I mean is, in these situations, I always wonder how the night goes.

The dream if you’re that kid is it all goes perfectly and you end the night the way every high school kid dreams of ending prom night - only you got to say it was with a model.

In reality you know these models show up for an hour to take pictures and share a couple dances then they leave and you never hear from them again. And your buddies make fun of you for it for the rest of your life lol.
 
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jackcrevol said:
Why do i want to help this kid? Does he need attention that bad? More specifically, why and what the hell is an IG model? Is that a self professed thing?

Ok then. I proclaim King of VN Recruiting Forum! Amirite? Pretty stupid huh?

Social media is literally the dumbest thing of all time. Someone do this kid a favor and message him, 'son, you need real human interaction. it will pay dividends later on, whi cares what any else thinks.'

Anyway wth do i know?

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IG models are basically just today version of Playboy bunnies who can control their own brand. It's not hard to get a follower from a random guy or girl (lot of girls follow IG models for motivation similar to how guys like body builders) if you are hot and post pictures that are hot. They get a couple tens to hundreds of thousands of followers and then post ads for money and are considered "influencers" because they are hot and have people looking at their pictures.

Looking at this situation closer with both these people being from Kentucky and being friends on snap chat I would say there is a chance they know each other and are trying to drum up a little media buzz to pump those follower numbers up. What a time to be alive.
 
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eVOLve said:
So what's the scenario that would have us backing into the SEC championship game? Just for sh*ts and giggles.
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Georgia & Florida both have to lose 4 SEC games. (3 more losses, each).

Florida plays Georgia, Vandy, @ Missouri...so they'd have to lose all 3.
Georgia plays Florida, Missouri, @ Auburn, A&M...so they'd have to beat Florida and then lose the last 3.
 
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Devo182 said:
So any kid that receives a scholarship should not be allowed to earn side income or start a business? Why are athletes (often football and basketball players are exclusively singled out here which is really effing shady) separated from EVERY OTHER student in their ability to earn income? This seems anti individual freedoms.

Many kids recieve full scholarships and can still earn other income. Yet you disagree SAs should be able to. So, do you believe 1) no scholarship students should be allowed to earn other income, 2) SAs should be able to earn other income like all other scholarship students, or 3) SAs and other scholarship students should be fundamnetally treated differently?
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My proposal would be to allow a school to pay a stipend of up to a certain amount each year ($24,000?). That way, the SA would get the scholarship and also get the stipend for anything they want. At a place like UT, the total benefit of that and the scholarship would roughly be worth $150k-$175k per year when you factor in every expense (medical, training, nutrition, tutors, facilities, etc.). Then the high level athletes can always get an insurance policy to cover any injury.

When I started my first year in law school, the school made the schedule purposely to prevent first year students from being able to work a continuous number of hours. They wanted the students to focus on the education.

I get the argument on both sides, and I’m a capitalist. But there are restrictions in place in many areas, and an education in addition to playing at high level schools actually does have a lot of value.
 
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Honestly I just want to see us win 3 more games this season. Mostly it'll be a "disappointing" season this year regardless because we dropped the first two home games, but salvaging a bowl game with a strong finish will help with recruiting and ultimately the team getting extra practice will be big in their continued growth.

Next year's team should be a 6 win floor, I like the potential to win 8...could reach 9 or 10 if we pull off an upset or two. Playing at Oklahoma isn't great, but it's an early in the season game so we might have an edge there. We get Florida here this year and I think if we play relatively good mistake free football there isn't the talent gap with them that exist with Alabama or Georgia.
Charlotte
@ Oklahoma
Furman
Florida
Missouri
@ South Carolina
BYE
Alabama
@ Arkansas
Kentucky
@ Georgia
Troy
@ Vanderbilt
 
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College football is evolving into something that I'm not sure will be as good as what we've had in the past. I'm not just talking about paying players. I'm all for free market and people making money anyway they can as long as it's legal but it will change college football negatively. Amateurism is what makes college football different than pro football. You take the amateurism out of college football and you have a semi-pro league. I'm afraid that many of the things we love about college football will be gone forever in the next few years.
 
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chargervol said:
I'm curious what kind of money we'll end up talking here.
Appearances
Jersey
Video games
Posters
Commercials

I mean is To'oto'o gonna be the face of Lexus of Knoxville, etc.?
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No, it means players like To'oto'o will never leave Cali and go to schools like UCLA or USC so they can sell their merch to 3X the amount of people. Bad for the sport....
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Honestly I just want to see us win 3 more games this season. Mostly it'll be a "disappointing" season this year regardless because we dropped the first two home games, but salvaging a bowl game with a strong finish will help with recruiting and ultimately the team getting extra practice will be big in their continued growth.

Next year's team should be a 6 win floor, I like the potential to win 8...could reach 9 or 10 if we pull off an upset or two. Playing at Oklahoma isn't great, but it's an early in the season game so we might have an edge there. We get Florida here this year and I think if we play relatively good mistake free football there isn't the talent gap with them that exist with Alabama or Georgia.
Charlotte
@ Oklahoma
Furman
Florida
Missouri
@ South Carolina
BYE
Alabama
@ Arkansas
Kentucky
@ Georgia
Troy
@ Vanderbilt
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Unless Lincoln riley leaves, i see no way we have an edge on Oklahoma in any way really. That’s a brutal game to have early for anyone. They are also a really young team too.

8 of their Starters on offense including their entire OL are FR or SO and half their defensive starters are freshman and sophomores.

I know they lose Hurts but at this point, does it really matter who’s QB for them?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
College football is evolving into something that I'm not sure will be as good as what we've had in the past. I'm not just talking about paying players. I'm all for free market and people making money anyway they can as long as it's legal but it will change college football negatively. Amateurism is what makes college football different than pro football. You take the amateurism out of college football and you have a semi-pro league. I'm afraid that many of the things we love about college football will be gone forever in the next few years.
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I suppose my question would be: what about amateurism makes college football a good product?
 
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VolInDayton said:
IG models are basically just today version of Playboy bunnies who can control their own brand. It's not hard to get a follower from a random guy or girl (lot of girls follow IG models for motivation similar to how guys like body builders) if you are hot and post pictures that are hot. They get a couple tens to hundreds of thousands of followers and then post ads for money and are considered "influencers" because they are hot and have people looking at their pictures.

Looking at this situation closer with both these people being from Kentucky and being friends on snap chat I would say there is a chance they know each other and are trying to drum up a little media buzz to pump those follower numbers up. What a time to be alive.
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roger, thank you for the level headed and reasonable account.
 
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Rocky_Top_Vol13 said:
No, it means players like To'oto'o will never leave Cali and go to schools like UCLA or USC so they can sell there merch to 3X the amount of people. Bad for the sport....
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USC and UCLA doesnt have the alumni or care to blow Tennessee, Texas, Michigan, Bama, etc. out of the water and get taxed to high heaven, bringing the net amount to probably less.
 
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Devo182 said:
It's the only illegal thing typically happening across the board (having to do with paying players).

Things like this makes me think of Al Capone. Dude did a million illegal things - murders, bribes, extortion, racketeering, etc...and he got busted...for not paying taxes.
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You still have bribery laws for steering players, but those are probably meaningless if players get paid. Pretty sure some states still have agent laws that prevent agents from funneling money to amateur athletes.
 
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The debate about player likeness etc.


Something I think not enough people are talking about is how free market/capitalism works. The bulk of the revenue made by college athletes right now goes to TV Stations (ESPN, CBS, FOX, etc.), the schools (ticket sales, TV audiences, apparel, etc.) & the conferences. The schools are the only one of these 3 areas that's actually investing anything into the student athlete. The TV stations aren't going to be paying the players directly, just won't happen. Not how it's structured in professional sports, and not how it'll work for the NCAA either. So that would leave the conferences to try and setup/distribute funds to athletes not sure how that'll work, it'll have to be setup kind of how TV contract payouts are...which are fairly even among all the schools "equal" shares etc. So it's very unlikely that any one player will really make a big payday, at least from what I consider the 3 main sources making profit from the players.

After that it's pretty wide open...or it can be. The big players that use endorsement deals are very unlikely to invest in college athletes, the shelf life is already known to be very minimal. 3 or 4 years max from your best college players and some don't even get that many...and the market share for an Alabama QB will just never be the same level as it is for literally any starting NFL QB so I'm not sure big players (Nike, Gatorade, Under Armour, etc.) will want to pay them.

Still think you'll see localized marketing. First TN may spend a little bit of cash to bring in a top UT player for a TV ad, or Parkside Honda will pay for a player to "buy" a car etc. I just don't think advertising budgets are as large as people assume, most these guys will be getting paid by hustling autograph signings and small local appearances that don't conflict with scholarship obligations.

TL;DR

To sum up...I think there's not enough "free time" available to the players to run around doing commercials on the regular. The NCAA/school will likely institute a "maximum" amount of appearances allowed in a year, they do this with official visits, practice days, recruiting etc. as is...so seems something they can pretty easily limit for athletes already in school too. The grey area will be should the kids now get paid for SEC Media day, bowl interview, etc. type obligations?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
College football is evolving into something that I'm not sure will be as good as what we've had in the past. I'm not just talking about paying players. I'm all for free market and people making money anyway they can as long as it's legal but it will change college football negatively. Amateurism is what makes college football different than pro football. You take the amateurism out of college football and you have a semi-pro league. I'm afraid that many of the things we love about college football will be gone forever in the next few years.
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Totally agree and it's been happening. The overreach with penalties like targeting, the increase in ref interference, the playoff consequences and now this.

Money always changes things and just like the other 3, it will be the unintended consequences that we don't see coming. I mean booster interference has already 'professionalized' and it's ruined the parity compared to just 20 years ago.


I still love it more than any other sport but yeah, it's definitely changing.
 
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