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31VFL said:
Good day for former Vol DL.
Phillips- 5 tackles, 3 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Tuttle- 2 tackles, 1 sack
Barnett- 0.5 sack

AJ Johnson also led the Broncos in tackles.
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I am a Colts fan so I saw most of the game. That penalty on Johnson hurt the Broncos, though.
 
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AppStVol said:
DT came in around 225 or less and was lanky so while having a bigger overall frame than Ojulari, they are similar in some comparisons. 19 has spent 5 years in college S&C program to build his body. Just see Baron bulking up when lifting in college S&C full time but time will tell. I'm very happy to load up with these versatile 5 Tech type players as it will really allow our DL to be multiple and have proper depth to compete all season.

I would also add it is tough to compare 40 times at these camps to game speed and burst when rushing the passer.
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I don't disagree with the comment about camps, but they attended the same one and that's their measurables.

Let me put this as simple as I can, why is Ojulari a better pass rusher than Baron? Because that's what it appears to be you're saying...if you don't think that's the case then I'm confused why you're countering all the points that are being made.

I personally would rather us take an edge guy who has the size. Baron's length and frame are just larger already than Ojulari...and without a clear speed difference I prefer size. Taylor out of HS was 6'4" 230, but that lanky body was also a 4.6 guy. Maybe Ojulari ends up being elite, who knows. Who cares though? He doesn't want to be here so he's off my radar and going on about "missing" on him won't change the fact we still need to add edge rushers, and Baron is one of the best on the board we can still add...
 
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bleedsUTorange said:
Kudos to the crowd for bringing it all night and often drowning out that God forsaken piped in GnR music. Just need someone to pull the plug on Jarnigan. We get it Jeffrey, it's thiiiiiird down!
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I am sure he's told what to do. I know him personally and he's a really good dude. I like it way better than third down for what.
 
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Why do I get a Chris Weatherd vibe from Ojulari?

Dudes had/have good linebacker measurables yet both were/are sold as edge rushers. I’m just not seeing the 225-240 lb edge rusher types being that successful.

Go ahead and @ me. You won’t change my mind.
 
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Brillovol said:
Why do I get a Chris Weatherd vibe from Ojulari?

Dudes had/have good linebacker measurables yet both were/are sold as edge rushers. I’m just not seeing the 225-240 lb edge rusher types being that successful.

Go ahead and @ me. You won’t change my mind.
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Agreed.

I mean I get we've not been a great pass rushing team, no disputing this. We're starting to see it though and the only "edge rusher" we're losing is Taylor. I still think Crouch and/or Roman both will be able to develop into pretty fantastic LBs. Both are just freaks and didn't play the position in HS enough to come in and contribute like Henry T, who is kind of a rare breed but also benefited from spending his HS career at the position.
 
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butchna said:
They had that walkon program down to a professional science! Park those big farmboys on a 100 plus roster, steroid em up and by their redshirt junior season they were NFL ready.
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Vandy has something like it for baseball. Except it's not for walkons. It's a foundation that raises money that allows them to offer more than the allotted scholarships.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I don't disagree with the comment about camps, but they attended the same one and that's their measurables.

Let me put this as simple as I can, why is Ojulari a better pass rusher than Baron? Because that's what it appears to be you're saying...if you don't think that's the case then I'm confused why you're countering all the points that are being made.

I personally would rather us take an edge guy who has the size. Baron's length and frame are just larger already than Ojulari...and without a clear speed difference I prefer size. Taylor out of HS was 6'4" 230, but that lanky body was also a 4.6 guy. Maybe Ojulari ends up being elite, who knows. Who cares though? He doesn't want to be here so he's off my radar and going on about "missing" on him won't change the fact we still need to add edge rushers, and Baron is one of the best on the board we can still add...
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Last comment on this debate as I don't want to continue spinning wheels, but I am not saying Ojulari is better than Baron as a pass rusher. I'm saying it appears they are going to play two different positions and the one Ojulari appears to be set to play, is very unknown and overall concerning with depth.

Your original comment I responded to was that with the Whitehaven kids and potentially Grimes and Baron we will be solid at Edge and will soften the blow with missing Ojulari. My point is that none of them appear set to play Edge and I view Baron as down 5 Tech lineman so we even with Ojulari we need more players. Again, bring on all the DL we can get as that is a great position to have a surplus of talent.

Also, agree to disagree, but Taylor was lighter than 230 when he got to campus. He was playing some WR in high school and I recall in the high school postseason all star game playing OLB in a 4-3 and looking skinny. He was always someone who had the frame to put good weight on.
 
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Brillovol said:
Why do I get a Chris Weatherd vibe from Ojulari?

Dudes had/have good linebacker measurables yet both were/are sold as edge rushers. I’m just not seeing the 225-240 lb edge rusher types being that successful.

Go ahead and @ me. You won’t change my mind.
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Honest question, how big do you see Roman Harrison getting? The dude is shredded and weighs 234 according to roster. His frame also appears more slight so not sure how much more weight he can handle since its known he has been a weight room junkie for some time.
 
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AppStVol said:
Last comment on this debate as I don't want to continue spinning wheels, but I am not saying Ojulari is better than Baron as a pass rusher. I'm saying it appears they are going to play two different positions and the one Ojulari appears to be set to play, is very unknown and overall concerning with depth.

Your original comment I responded to was that with the Whitehaven kids and potentially Grimes and Baron we will be solid at Edge and will soften the blow with missing Ojulari. My point is that none of them appear set to play Edge and I view Baron as down 5 Tech lineman so we even with Ojulari we need more players. Again, bring on all the DL we can get as that is a great position to have a surplus of talent.

Also, agree to disagree, but Taylor was lighter than 230 when he got to campus. He was playing some WR in high school and I recall in the high school postseason all star game playing OLB in a 4-3 and looking skinny. He was always someone who had the frame to put good weight on.
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Taylor's listed weight was 230 coming outta HS on 24/7.

The 3 Whitehaven kids are all LBs, 2 are listed as ILBs and one is an OLB. At least 1 of them will be an OLB here at UT. Not sure what you're even debating if I'm honest...it sucks losing Ojulari, but we'll land another DL recruit to replace him.

Success of him at LSU or the guy who we get instead here at UT is purely speculation. I know from the last 2-3 years our best pass rushers have all been the same size/build as Baron. I'd be happy if all our OLBs were 6'4" and 250, but I get not everyone feels that way.

So my last comment is...well we're not getting Ojulari, so let's move on to discussing other talent we may land instead.
 
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Didn’t someone say that we opened as a 13 point favorite against UAB? If so, that line has already been hammered down to 9.5.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Didn’t someone say that we opened as a 13 point favorite against UAB? If so, that line has already been hammered down to 9.5.
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and 3 of that is home field, so they're basically saying we're less than a TD favorite at home for homecoming game.

cool.
 
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jakez4ut said:
and 3 of that is home field, so they're basically saying we're less than a TD favorite at home for homecoming game.

cool.
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Oh man, if it gets down to 6.5....I'd throw the house at it.

I think we'll smoke 'em to be honest. I think UAB has played one team with a pulse all year and lost to them. Pretty sure this team & staff is treating every week like must win moving forward and UAB isn't getting overlooked at all.
 
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