Darnell Wright: just don't give up on us

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troyntn71 said:
Can you give evidence you think he's the right guy? Take emotion out. I can give plenty of evidence he's not.
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I'll answer your question.

There's only evidence that he's a new head coach. Which that means it's mostly negative. However, he did have the sense to make the change at QB. Albeit it was two games late.
He has cut loose a lot of fat from the team via transfer or dismissal.
Those are crucial and measurable judgment factors in his coaching resume this far. Both positive.

Now to address your opinion about Fan Support. Fan Support is HOW you generate the revenue to recruit good players and coaches. That what these original posts from Brian Maurer and Darnell Wright are about.

If the fans don't support the program then it will FOR SURE die.
On the other hand continued support will keep a program alive giving them the chance to be good again!

What you're suggesting would absolutely destroy UT football
 
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MikeVol44 said:
I want to apologize for attacking you personally yesterday--it was unkind and unnecessary--and flat out WRONG!!!
I disagree with most of all that you have said in this thread....but I have NO EXCUSE for my sin against you.
Please forgive me. I was completely WRONG!

GO VOLS!
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You're fine. We all get passionate about our beliefs. No hard feelings at all. Probably both want the same thing for the program ,, we probably just have different viewpoints how to get there.
 
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troyntn71 said:
I think that's a good thing he's trying to do. Too many of these players get on Twitter and run their mouths. Causes dissension in the ranks. We complain about it all the time we just don't do anything to stop it
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Yea it is great. He should ban them from listening to music and watching tv also.

Idiotic.
 
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allvol123 said:
Yea it is great. He should ban them from listening to music and watching tv also.

Idiotic.
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There is a difference. Seems like to me our best teams came back from the day when we didn't have all the distractions. Twitter gets a lot of people in trouble. It's not a constitutional right to have social media. Any company or football program for that matter can dictate or regulate the use of social media.
 
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I think you could ban them from speaking about the team of something like that. The access the players have to the media can really hurt/destroy a team quickly. I don't put using social media (speaking to the public) in the same category as listening to music and watching TV. These player represent the university and to have limitless access to the media is something that no previous coaches ever had to deal with. I am sure most teams already have social media policies.

It is not idiotic to have policies that protect your brand and image, it is good business.

I am no fan of Mike Leach so this argument is outside of any thought about him.
 
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troyntn71 said:
There is a difference. Seems like to me our best teams came back from the day when we didn't have all the distractions. Twitter gets a lot of people in trouble. It's not a constitutional right to have social media. Any company or football program for that matter can dictate or regulate the use of social media.
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No. It is an archaic philosophy from Leach.

These are young men. Social media is a thing in society. Teach them how to responsibly use it, not ban it.

I can see the recruiting pitch now...."Mrs. Jones since I really wont do a good job of helping your son mature over the next 4 years, we'll just ban things like Twitter. That will solve my inadequacies as a head coach and developer of young men."
 
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allvol123 said:
No. It is an archaic philosophy from Leach.

These are young men. Social media is a thing in society. Teach them how to responsibly use it, not ban it.

I can see the recruiting pitch now...."Mrs. Jones since I really wont do a good job of helping your son mature over the next 4 years, we'll just ban things like Twitter. That will solve my inadequacies as a head coach and developer of young men."
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Gets kind of old that people must always cave to the youth today. It wasn't like that when I was a kid. You could not just show up for an interview dressed up in jeans with holes and expect to get hired. We get told over and over and over that we have to give these kids everything they want or they won't come here. Then you get kids with attitudes and think they're owed everything. That doesn't work out either. I don't think Saban allows them to go on Twitter and just shoot off at the mouth all the time. I never see that coming out of Alabama. May be why they have a lot of success. A little discipline never hurts.
 
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troyntn71 said:
Gets kind of old that people must always cave to the youth today. It wasn't like that when I was a kid. You could not just show up for an interview dressed up in jeans with holes and expect to get hired. We get told over and over and over that we have to give these kids everything they want or they won't come here. Then you get kids with attitudes and think they're owed everything. That doesn't work out either. I don't think Saban allows them to go on Twitter and just shoot off at the mouth all the time. I never see that coming out of Alabama. May be why they have a lot of success. A little discipline never hurts.
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Teaching kids how to properly communicate in life is not "cave to the youth."

You're putting band aids on symptoms, not fixing root cause.
 
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troyntn71 said:
Gets kind of old that people must always cave to the youth today. It wasn't like that when I was a kid. You could not just show up for an interview dressed up in jeans with holes and expect to get hired. We get told over and over and over that we have to give these kids everything they want or they won't come here. Then you get kids with attitudes and think they're owed everything. That doesn't work out either. I don't think Saban allows them to go on Twitter and just shoot off at the mouth all the time. I never see that coming out of Alabama. May be why they have a lot of success. A little discipline never hurts.
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allvol123 said:
Teaching kids how to properly communicate in life is not "cave to the youth."

You're putting band aids on symptoms, not fixing root cause.
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Well Tennessee has certainly been caving. If you recall Butch Jones was such a player's coach that he let the players dictate his strength and conditioning coaches. They didn't like the first guy because he was too hard on them. And when his coach was there they actually had a decent line. He caved and fired the guy and brought a guy in that was a disaster. Then he let the players dictate practices. Playing loud rap music during the practices where they could not even hear instructions from the coaches Etc. There's a thing called sacrifice if you want to do certain things in life. I guess today's generation doesn't understand that. If you want to play football have you have to adhere to the rules that the coaches set.
 
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troyntn71 said:
Well Tennessee has certainly been caving. If you recall Butch Jones was such a player's coach that he let the players dictate his strength and conditioning coaches. They didn't like the first guy because he was too hard on them. And when his coach was there they actually had a decent line. He caved and fired the guy and brought a guy in that was a disaster. Then he let the players dictate practices. Playing loud rap music during the practices where they could not even hear instructions from the coaches Etc. There's a thing called sacrifice if you want to do certain things in life. I guess today's generation doesn't understand that. If you want to play football have you have to adhere to the rules that the coaches set.
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Ok. But you're leaving the original argument here.

You just wrote a paragraph about nothing we were discussing.
 
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allvol123 said:
Teaching kids how to properly communicate in life is not "cave to the youth."

You're putting band aids on symptoms, not fixing root cause.
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Also how do we know that Mike Leach first didn't try your approach. We don't get too much information about Washington State in this part of the country. Maybe he did try your approach and try to teach them restraint and discipline and too many of them didn't listen so he had to resort to Banning it. I would tend to think that's probably what happened.
 
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allvol123 said:
Ok. But you're leaving the original argument here.

You just wrote a paragraph about nothing we were discussing.
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My original Point ties in. I'm just telling you where Mike Leach is coming from. We have been down that road before in given players everything they want and it didn't work out too well. Like I said my guess is that he tried your approach first and it probably didn't work so he had to resort to a more extreme measure.
 
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allvol123 said:
Ok. But you're leaving the original argument here.

You just wrote a paragraph about nothing we were discussing.
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I was also responding to your remark about recruiting. If you're just going to give a kid everything they want just to get them to sign here they're not going to respect the program. They will think they are bigger than the program.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im sure if a 5* RB wants a Mustang instead of a Nick Saban Mercedes-Benz he'll cave if it means a signature on signing day.
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I totally agree with you on that one. I just wonder if you're also one of those that support paying the players. Basically same difference.
 
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troyntn71 said:
My original Point ties in. I'm just telling you where Mike Leach is coming from. We have been down that road before in given players everything they want and it didn't work out too well. Like I said my guess is that he tried your approach first and it probably didn't work so he had to resort to a more extreme measure.
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It is the player's phone. You arent giving them anything.
 
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troyntn71 said:
I was also responding to your remark about recruiting. If you're just going to give a kid everything they want just to get them to sign here they're not going to respect the program. They will think they are bigger than the program.
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Haha.

Posting on social media = everything.

Jeez. Leach was a moron before this. And still is.
 
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