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#20,828
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T Dog said:
Our greatest concern is defensive line recruiting.
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Been saying that for years now.[/QUOTE]

I may be in the minority, but I think our existing DL can be very good by next year or maybe even later this year.

- Emerson and Garland are both RS Freshmen and have shown flashes in their first 4 games.
- Gooden will be back next year.
- The other DL getting playing time now are essentially getting meaningful playing time for the 1st time (other than A. Solomon). How many times have we seen JUCO DL guys play much better in their 2nd year in D1? I still expect the DL group will improve as much as any other position group this year just because of their current inexperience.
- If we get Hardy and Baron in the 2020 class as expected, I don't think they will get lots of playing time in their freshman year since there will be several DL seniors still on the roster. However, by their 2nd year, Baron and Hardy will get plenty of playing time. That is how most coaches would like it ... as you do not want to have to start true freshman on the DL unless you have to .. or unless they are Derek Barnett.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
He's been out on the trail though...I think if David leaves it'll be his decision.

Rocker & Weinke I'm fine with replacing both. Rocker without a doubt...we need a better DL recruiter who can develop better.
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True story...if you can’t sell immediate playing time on this DL then you can’t sell anything.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Not calling you out on anything. Not my style, I am on the fence about the Mullen hire. Mainly because I just don't think UT was willing to offer him 6 million a year, which is what it would have taken to hire him. Then assuming if we even made an offer he might have just waited to see what Florida was going to do.

We'll never really know the full truth of the last coaching search and all the missteps that lead to new AD and Pruitt being hired. Schiano being 2nd is still a huge travesty by Currie, even prior to the fan backlash.
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agreed
 
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smokeyz1 said:
Been saying that for years now.

I may be in the minority, but I think our existing DL can be very good by next year or maybe even later this year.

- Emerson and Garland are both RS Freshmen and have shown flashes in their first 4 games.
- Gooden will be back next year.
- The other DL getting playing time now are essentially getting meaningful playing time for the 1st time (other than A. Solomon). How many times have we seen JUCO DL guys play much better in their 2nd year in D1? I still expect the DL group will improve as much as any other position group this year just because of their current inexperience.
- If we get Hardy and Baron in the 2020 class as expected, I don't think they will get lots of playing time in their freshman year since there will be several DL seniors still on the roster. However, by their 2nd year, Baron and Hardy will get plenty of playing time. That is how most coaches would like it ... as you do not want to have to start true freshman on the DL unless you have to .. or unless they are Derek Barnett.
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Baron starts day 1.
 
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jakez4ut said:
here's my theory.

we talked to Mullen at some point prior to Saturday Nov 25th. we supposedly were set to go back to Starkville on Sunday the 26th.

prior to that though, UF got turned down by Kelly, and they finalized with Mullen on the 25th....and he was announced as UF's coach on the 26th.

my biggest issues with this are these:
1. if Mullen was really the "can't take no for an answer", #1 candidate....we should have never left starkville and keep making offers til he says "yes". that's obviously not what happened.
2. we were in Columbus OH on sunday the 26th signing Schiano....if he was the back up plan, we were loacked and loaded and really quck to the trigger to be able to sign him the same day UF signed our #1 guy.


to me, it's probably more likely we were in talks with both guys, and were going to take a "yes" from either one.............whoever got there first.
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that is plausible, but I am very paranoid when it comes to the BoT and the Haslams. I think Currie was doing what they said and they wanted Schiano, for some inexplicable, stupid reason. Even if he was "only" the second choice, that is such a major fail for everyone involved.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Baron starts day 1.
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hopefully at UT too...

We just need another solid class for 2020, top 20 would be cake imo. I know that's not "elite" but if he salvages a top 20 class, just based on the guys he's brought in already and how they are performing I think next season can be a big jump. Since we're all assuming 4 or 5 wins is ceiling this year.
 
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It's all about how this team looks in November. If we have November success, recruiting will not suffer as a result of constant improvement.

As bad as I would hate to see it if November looks like September, I would not be surprised to see a coaching change. It will be hard to sell that to recruits.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
That's what frustrates me...Schiano shouldn't have been a top 10 candidate even.

Regardless of any of the Penn State related blowback. 68-67 as a HC at Rutgers, and even "after the rebuild" he went 4-8 in his 2nd to last year there. Then had all the issues at Tampa and was just 11-21 there and had not been a HC since 2013...

The Rutgers rebuild was also in the Big East. Just not a very impressive coach to be your HC. Currie is an idiot.
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Yet here we are with Pruitt as HC.
 
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letsgoUT29 said:
It's all about how this team looks in November. If we have November success, recruiting will not suffer as a result of constant improvement.

As bad as I would hate to see it if November looks like September, I would not be surprised to see a coaching change. It will be hard to sell that to recruits.
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it's so hard to project what will happen the rest of the season. there's certainly no reason right now to think we see some 180 degree turn around...but in the interest of "the games have yet to be played", it's still possible.

i do think they need to win as many games as they have the opportunity to....what's that number? if i had to put money on it, i'd say they could realistically win 4 more games. VAndy, KY, UAB, USCe.....they are the most winnable....imo. steal that MSU game in a couple weeks and people will exhale and start to think maybe just maybe a bowl game can still be had? and we get a bye before Mizzou, so who knows......

but let's cross that bridge....IF we get to it.

as for the recruits, the season hasn't, and won't, go like anyone wants, so that's going to have some affect on recruiting.

i still say for the core group in this class, if CJP returns, the core sticks....even in 2017, there were a good many prospects that were going to come here had CBJ been retained...LynJ DIxon, Cade Mays, Trey Dean, Jaycee Horn are a few off the top of my head...and all of those guys are getting meaningful playing time at USCe, GA, Clemson, and UF......

so it's probably not gonna be this mega classs we hoped for. but it can still be a top 15 type class that adds more foundation to what we brought in with the 19 class....and while we would just get younger for next year, it just moves the "break out" year to 20....where you'd like to see us get to that 7...or 8...win mark.......difficult considering the schedule looking this far out....but that's the hand we're dealt right now, so it is what it is.
 
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