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HankHill said:
If Pruitt wins 4 games in year two we will all be very disappointed but definitely keep him.

You’re gonna have to give him an extension to appeal to recruits and potential assistants because surely you’re going to replace 3-5 assistants whether you’re firing or they are leaving. The hardest thing to do is convince a proven coach to leave a comfortable situation to join a coach that is on the hot seat. Especially considering you basically have 4 guaranteed losses next year in bama, uga, @ Oklahoma, And Florida.

It’s what ultimately got butch and Dooley fired. Butch’s last staff outside of shoop is the worst collection of coaches I’ve ever seen.

Same thing with Dooley. Wilcox leaves and Dooley can’t land a proven DC so he hires Grimace as his DC and that was all she wrote.
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dunno how many assistants get replaced. i think you could look at Weinke, Rocker and Friend, maybe sherrer?

but you gotta be a little careful in that, cuase like you said, dooley and butch made some not so great decisions. some of htat maybe was hamstrung a bit with what they were able to do financially for assistants, but no doubt some of those hires, or folks they let go, ultimately did them in.

up to this point, whatever Pruitt has wanted/needed, he's gotten. will need that to continue thru any "next round" of changes on the staff.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Replace 3-5 assistants and give Pruitt an extension? Only 2 I feel for sure will be gone are Winke and Rocker. Maybe David Johnson? Or maybe Sherrer? Large staff turnover is not what we need and I don’t think it has to be done. Giving Pruitt an extension doesn’t have to be done either. Fulmer is letting people know Pruitt will be around next year.
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You have to extend Pruitt if you keep him this year no matter what. If you win 4 or less games and have the disastrous season like we’ve had you have to make at least a couple staff changes and will probably have 1 or 2 leave on their own.

No proven assistant is leaving a good thing to join a coach on an expiring contract and on the hot seat. We need coaching ability proven assistants. Not proven recruiters. That’s imo the biggest reason Pruitt is struggling like he is now.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I just don’t know how Fulmer could sell a three game regression in year 2 to the boosters and say this thing is going in the right direction. My gut tells me they’d close ranks like they’ve done in virtually every other sport and start hiring Tennessee people.
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I know one fairly large booster that is apathetic to the program. He's written them off. He's still supportive but at a reduced level. I don't think he cares at this point if he Fulmer keeps him or fires him. I suspect many boosters are "call me when they're good". Just my guess. Fulmer needs something to sell, just as Pruitt does to recruits. If Pruitt is able to hold onto the current commits and add a few decent guys, especially in-state guys, he can say "Look at the future with these recruits. If he can recruit like this after the past couple of years, just think how he can recruit with some success." That's why I think his future is tied to recruiting, even this year. If win only two games but recruiting holds up, I can see them keeping him for another year. If recruiting tanks, all bets are off. Fulmer has very little to sell. Losing to Vandy at home will be a huge negative as well. Might be hard to survive that. I almost think a loss to UAB and a win at home to Vandy would be better than the opposite for him.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I know one fairly large booster that is apathetic to the program. He's written them off. He's still supportive but at a reduced level. I don't think he cares at this point if he Fulmer keeps him or fires him. I suspect many boosters are "call me when they're good". Just my guess. Fulmer needs something to sell, just as Pruitt does to recruits. If Pruitt is able to hold onto the current commits and add a few decent guys, especially in-state guys, he can say "Look at the future with these recruits. If he can recruit like this after the past couple of years, just think how he can recruit with some success." That's why I think his future is tied to recruiting, even this year. If win only two games but recruiting holds up, I can see them keeping him for another year. If recruiting tanks, all bets are off. Fulmer has very little to sell. Losing to Vandy at home will be a huge negative as well. Might be hard to survive that. I almost think a loss to UAB and a win at home to Vandy would be better than the opposite for him.
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If we have people that apathetic and the university is still allowing them to donate enough money that they get a "seat at the table", we have a big problem. I would hope that we have boosters with thicker skin than that!
 
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Man what sucks the most is we've basically got to wait 3 weekends before we (hopefully) have a competitive game again to watch.

And honestly at this point I don't know how well the team will look against MSU. Butch teams always faded (weak S&C to blame) and Pruitt's team faded last season (thin depth) but what will this team do?

The only silver lining at the moment I guess is that all the departures are Butch guys, and the Pruitt recruits haven't abandoned ship.
 
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HankHill said:
Now that we agree on. That’s why i don’t think our roster is all that bad. It’s not worse than any of the other middle or bottom SEC teams. That’s why they have to give one of the young guys a chance to prepare as the starter and build some confidence. Hopefully they can bring a spark like Tyler bray did dooleys first year. The offensive weapons and OL are there to make it happen.
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i actually agree. as much as i've bemoaned the roster and it's issues, a QB hides a lot.

it's just...relative to the fact we're at least unsettled at QB, we don't have a roster right now that can over come that.

and that's just the reality of the entire situation...cause the qb is part of the equation for us, this year....so you can't "hide" the other issues...........

i don't think anyone really disagrees that the way we managed personnel and game planned the GSU game was the reason we lost that game, and that's on CJP and co.

the rest of the season........the players have been put in situations where they had chances to compete and/or win the game and didn't execute, made a dumb mistake or turned it over inexplicably....the record makes the coach an easy target, and that's fine. they're big boys that make great money, so they should just take those shots.

but, i think most folks that are really paying attention know it's not just that simple. the OL has been better. we've been better against the run. the RB's look better. we've seen some bright flashes at LB. WR's are getting open and blocking much better.....there is improvement if you go look for it, look past the record.

but the record is glaring, and for most, it's not worth looking past, and i understand that. doesn't mean that some of the things we're discussing here aren't true anyway. fix the QB as best you can. fix the back end of the defense as best you can, and see what happens in the next 8 games.
 
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mrmax86 said:
If we have people that apathetic and the university is still allowing them to donate enough money that they get a "seat at the table", we have a big problem. I would hope that we have boosters with thicker skin than that!
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Boosters didn't get money by throwing it away. They expect a return on their investment. There are different levels of boosters. The only boosters that have a "seat at the table" are mega boosters. There are many high level boosters that don't have a "seat at the table". Also, I don't see Fulmer or anyone that is interested in bringing back Tennessee football, turning money away. They need every penny. They would take money from Nick Saban if he offered it up.
 
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chargervol said:
And this is why breaks are a good thing.
Seriously? Analyzing the walkout at halftime? That's the EXACT same series ya'll declared the team showed their only spark!

If you must pretend to be FBI body language experts, please, at least show a touch of consistency!😅😅
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To be fair, that's the same half we then got outscored 24-3...
 
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