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MoCo_Vol said:
Not having Bryce, TKJr, or Baylen in that secondary was part of them stepping back. Don't care how much talent you got inexperience in 2 of the 4 starters will have a negative impact.
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TKjr wouldn't have helped much. he's just a shell of his former self. not bagging on him, he was pretty good at one point, but that injury, he just wasn't the same after it.

but year, i think Burrell has a lot of potential, but tough duty to go out there as a true freshman. Flowers, again, has a ton of promise, and played pretty well until he got hurt, so he has to get back in to football mode.

warrior was the one i just wasn't worried about, and turns out, he''s the chief concern right now.....unbelievable.

BT getting back and getting reps right is huge, and i think that helps the whole group.

i also think Shamburger has had some really good plays at nickel...didn't mention him before, but i think on the whole, he's probably been better than he was before......

wondering if we'll see any Mcollough or Fields any time soon?
 
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Catbone said:
Yeah I think DL, LB, S, CB, QB regressed and WR RB, OL, TE got better.

JG is the biggest problem on the team followed by the DBs and pass rushers.
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agree. would disagree on LB, but not to the point it's worth discussing. they're young and we're thin, and didn't have bituli....so i can see it.

if we had a qb though....man. it would cover up a lot. we'd be 3-1 at worst.
 
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Nice words from Helton.

"Despite rumors that the two coaches weren’t always on the same page, Helton had plenty of good things to say about Pruitt recently."

"Helton added “I think he does a great job at recruiting, he is a relentless recruiter. You don’t have to talk about him as a defensive coach, he’s one of the best in the business”.

The former Vols offensive coordinator also mentioned that he believes Pruitt is knowledgeable in “all aspects of the game”."

"After spending a year on Rocky Top, he understands the disarray the program was in when Pruitt took over. "...“He just needs the time to get that thing going. There is no doubt in my mind that he will. He will get it going eventually.”

Former Tennessee Vols OC Tyson Helton offers opinion on Jeremy Pruitt
 
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Catbone said:
Yeah I think DL, LB, S, CB, QB regressed and WR RB, OL, TE got better.

JG is the biggest problem on the team followed by the DBs and pass rushers.
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Not sure how we can say WRs and TEs have gotten better. Don’t think they’ve gotten worse either though. I’d say it’s a wash.

I forgot about RBs. That’s much better just due to having Gray over Jordan.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Not sure how we can say WRs and TEs have gotten better. Don’t think they’ve gotten worse either though. I’d say it’s a wash.

I forgot about RBs. That’s much better just due to having Gray over Jordan.
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Calling it a wash with pass catchers is about all you can do given the QB play.

They could be better or worse and you would never know it.
 
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QB is <
RB is >
WR is =
TE is = (Pope emerging as a solid blocker and #2)
OL is >

DL is <
LB is = (not sure they're better...but also not sure they are worse. Bituli and Taylor were the big standouts here last season and both are still on roster and the youth movement is most noticeable in this group)
CB is < (youth hasn't quite figured it out yet, and missed BT for almost a full 3 games)
S is < (as stated the most disappointing area)

So really the defense getting younger and getting a new DC/playcaller (who also changed coverage philosophy) has caused regression. Not really breaking news here.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Not sure how we can say WRs and TEs have gotten better. Don’t think they’ve gotten worse either though. I’d say it’s a wash.

I forgot about RBs. That’s much better just due to having Gray over Jordan.
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i'd say this on the WR's and TE's...they've been in the spots they're supposed to be in, and you can clearly go back on some of the plays we've seen this year and see guys open....and i think the blocking by those guys has been pretty good.

and when some of the guys have had the opportunity, i've seen more ability to make a guy miss, or ability to break a tackle and get some YAC.

there's just not enough opportunity right now, so you can say "push" and i won't argue. but if pressed, i'd give 'em a vote for "yes" in the improvement department.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Not sure how we can say WRs and TEs have gotten better. Don’t think they’ve gotten worse either though. I’d say it’s a wash.

I forgot about RBs. That’s much better just due to having Gray over Jordan.
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Only thing that matters is the Team is worse. Unfortunately.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I agree. But everyone wants this staff to work out and for this thing to keep rolling, so let’s set some benchmarks.

I think we’re being EXTREMELY charitable by setting aside the finish to last year and Georgia State and BYU this year. But that’s what everyone wants to do so let’s do it.

Let’s set our benchmark for the rest of the season - like the first 4 games didn’t even happen.

We are, on paper, far less talented than Alabama and Georgia. Great coaches can’t bridge that gap. Let’s discard them.

We are more talented than Vanderbilt and UAB. If you lose those games you were out coached.

There are four games in which you could argue we have comparable talent to the opponent. (By recruiting measure we are MORE talented but I digress.) Mississippi State, South Carolina, Kentucky and Missouri. I’m asking them to get ONE of these games. Just one. A good coaching staff splits 50/50 games at the very least. I’m not even asking them to be good! Steal one out of four.

Can we all agree to the above and to these minimum benchmarks going forward? There should be three wins remaining on the schedule at minimum. Is that fair? Can we all agree anything less would be a failure (on top of other failure we’ve decided to ignore for now)?
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If Pruitt can’t win 3 more then he’s not the guy. I’m starting to think the narrative about him is true. He’s a tremendous defensive mind and recruiter, but he cannot communicate his system effectively which is why we’re still having alignment issues. Either you need a lot of time in his system before it clicks, or you need a high football IQ like Henry T.
 
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chargervol said:
Well I'm with you on hoping it comes together at QB.
But I don't need the "positives to outweigh the negatives" to see what I'm talking about.

It's sad, I truly and honestly don't know if we're discussing 2 different things or if you just steered the direction back to where you want it to stay.
And I hate feeling that way.
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I guess i don’t look at our team playing hard as an accomplishment or something to be proud of but more or a requirement. That is literally job #1 imo as a coach to make sure your team plays hard all the time.

So I’m never going to comment our team for playing hard. Coaches in general are paid too much money to let their teams not play hard.
 
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KPT_VFL said:
Only thing that matters is the Team is worse. Unfortunately.
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well, 1-3 doesn't lend itself to saying otherwise....that's for sure. but there is a reality that says if you get adequate QB play and don't do some of the dumb things we've done with some penalties and turnovers.....you're 3-1.

there are groups on this team that have played well enough to win.
but it is a team sport, and the team is 1-3.

so it is what it is....parcell's quoate, you are what your record says you are...
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I agree. But everyone wants this staff to work out and for this thing to keep rolling, so let’s set some benchmarks.

I think we’re being EXTREMELY charitable by setting aside the finish to last year and Georgia State and BYU this year. But that’s what everyone wants to do so let’s do it.

Let’s set our benchmark for the rest of the season - like the first 4 games didn’t even happen.

We are, on paper, far less talented than Alabama and Georgia. Great coaches can’t bridge that gap. Let’s discard them.

We are more talented than Vanderbilt and UAB. If you lose those games you were out coached.

There are four games in which you could argue we have comparable talent to the opponent. (By recruiting measure we are MORE talented but I digress.) Mississippi State, South Carolina, Kentucky and Missouri. I’m asking them to get ONE of these games. Just one. A good coaching staff splits 50/50 games at the very least. I’m not even asking them to be good! Steal one out of four.

Can we all agree to the above and to these minimum benchmarks going forward? There should be three wins remaining on the schedule at minimum. Is that fair? Can we all agree anything less would be a failure (on top of other failure we’ve decided to ignore for now)?
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Spot on.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Not sure how we can say WRs and TEs have gotten better. Don’t think they’ve gotten worse either though. I’d say it’s a wash.

I forgot about RBs. That’s much better just due to having Gray over Jordan.
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Agree on WR, but yeah it's hard to tell for sure with JG playing poorly. The TEs may be blocking a bit better imo.

It's incredibly frustrating knowing how bad we are but STILL 100% should be sitting at 3-1 with even mediocre QB play...
 
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For you guys playing FF with Vikings WRs, you should try to trade off those guys ASAP. With the coordinator change, they pass the ball less than any other team. Thielen still has good value in ppr, but you could probably trade him for a receiver on a more pass-oriented team that'll ultimately deliver more.
 
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Jack Burton said:
If Pruitt can’t win 3 more then he’s not the guy. I’m starting to think the narrative about him is true. He’s a tremendous defensive mind and recruiter, but he cannot communicate his system effectively which is why we’re still having alignment issues. Either you need a lot of time in his system before it clicks, or you need a high football IQ like Henry T.
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And yet I've read comments from some of his past players about how he simplifies things and makes the defense easier to understand.
 
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