Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[SamRebel35]

Not a fan of the "terrible roster" narrative at all. If we were talking about a Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, A&M or such type of blowout/loss then sure paint the difference as roster talent.

But Missouri, Vanderbilt, Georgia State, BYU, and Florida (remember all that pre-season attrition?) nah, it's not the roster difference. It's been coaching issues more than anything else.

I somewhat agree. That being said, lack of talent at the qb position affects the team's performance way more than lack of talent at any other position. I don't think anyone from any of those schools we lost to would trade their qb for Guarantano. We have comparable or better talent than those teams we lost to except at the most important position. Now, that doesn't mean there aren't coaching issues that also contribute. I do believe we've still got a lot of kinks to iron out with our staff, but the lack of qb ability has made everything just so much worse.

 

[Smokeytom]

We’ve all said that we need to get back to winning those last 4-5 games vs Vandy Mizzou SC Kentucky etc before we can expect to beat the FLs UGAs and Bamas again. Well, we can still do that.

 

[Memphisvol87]

We’ve all said that we need to get back to winning those last 4-5 games vs Vandy Mizzou SC Kentucky etc before we can expect to beat the FLs UGAs and Bamas again. Well, we can still do that.

This would be a huge shot in the arm to finish the year. Really pulling for the team to rally.

 

[TrippieRedd]

We’ve all said that we need to get back to winning those last 4-5 games vs Vandy Mizzou SC Kentucky etc before we can expect to beat the FLs UGAs and Bamas again. Well, we can still do that.

Let’s just win em all, plus Miss St., go bowling and sign a top 15 class. That’s doable right? Give me a hell yeah.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Is it basketball season yet?


(In before @Big Gucci Sosa post a KY BB tweet)

 

[SLICKYINC]

He did and it gave @SLICKYINC a semi

Best RB on the team. Change my mind...

 

[Catbone]

Not a fan of the "terrible roster" narrative at all. If we were talking about a Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, A&M or such type of blowout/loss then sure paint the difference as roster talent.

But Missouri, Vanderbilt, Georgia State, BYU, and Florida (remember all that pre-season attrition?) nah, it's not the roster difference. It's been coaching issues more than anything else.

Bingo

 

[ATC_VOL]

Quavaris Crouch Gives Message to Recruits Reconsidering Vols | RTI

I did not realize Crouch played Running Back against Florida (and made a first down)

Nice article. Guys like that with that kind of attitude is why I’ll still attend as many games as my schedule allows this season.

 

[Chuckie]

Why do you think that? You think someone else scoops him up or do you think he is not doing enough coaching to offset his performance on the recruiting trail?

I won't. They won't let him go. Fulmer and Pruitt both know he is the best recruiter on staff, they will pay him.

Dude deserves the millions that Ansley is getting. We lose him any hope of recruiting momentum is deadddddd

Prepare to be shocked

I guess I should have been clearer. To everyone's point, I think he's very valuable and deserves to make more than he does. I'm big on analogies. If you are a real estate agent, and you can only sell 25 houses per year, would you rather be selling houses with an average price of $100,000, or houses with an average price of $1,000,000? Neids has no problem selling either product (and the people he's selling to can afford houses in either group)...I would bet he'd rather sell the $1,000,000 house than the $100,000 one.

I hope I'm wrong, he's worth his weight in gold.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I believe that once our defense gets settled in we will be a much better football team. Heck we are playing all Freshman or Sophomores out there.

Our OL has improved significantly. If we can get even a bit of a passing game our offense will look way better. Right now teams are crowding the box and basically playing contain with the LBs and Secondary watching our QBs eyes and daring us to throw. (One of the biggest reasons I’m advocating for Shrout to get a look is because he actually goes through his progressions and doesn’t stare his receivers down) Once we have a QB who can threaten a defense it will open everything up.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Best RB on the team. Change my mind...

I think from now on if we get within the 5 to 10yd range from the goal line you see the Heavy Package come in.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Nothing like having a Great Dane lay on you as an alarm clock

 

[Chuckie]

Nothing like having a Great Dane lay on you as an alarm clock

Don't worry...in the next few weeks you'll enter into a long season of life where an alarm clock is useless.

And you shouldn't talk about your pregnant wife like that

 

[SLICKYINC]

I think from now on if we get within the 5 to 10yd range from the goal line you see the Heavy Package come in.

I can only hope.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

I think from now on if we get within the 5 to 10yd range from the goal line you see the Heavy Package come in.

 

[chargervol]

you sure about that? i don't recall Pruitt being #1 on the list. i seem to remember us hiring Schiano, iwth a different AD pulling the strings. and i remember when that went up in flames, we got turned down by a who's who of coaching candidates....before we fired that AD, broke the emergency glass and gave the keys to Fulmer and wound up with Pruitt.

but let's not let any of that get in the way of a good narrative.

if you want to say that we didn't push for guys like Mullen and Fisher to begin with...then fine, i agree.

but it wasn't a matter of TN saying "nice hires and all aTm and UF, but hold my beer and let me show you how you hire a coach"

to say we've endured 10+ years of administrative ineptitude would still be a giant understatement.

but by the time we got down to winding up with pruitt...opening up the coffers wasn't the issue.....THAT was solely situationally driven.

It's hard admitting many coaches don't jump at this job but it's true. Every "name" coach that we have offered has been at a significant raise from their current job and high on the national average.

Opinions aside, the cold hard facts from the texts was that Mullen didn't even care about a counter from TN, regardless of the amount. Jumped at the chance to run to Fl and away from us without the slightest concern of if we would pay more. We've GOT to change the dysfunctional narrative.

 

[JAllen18]

This rebuild was always going to take a while. Butch Jones and Pruitt have very different philosophies on what the football team should be and look like. That goes beyond the defense scheme change from a 4-3 to a 3-4.

Butch recruited for speed and quickness. The roster has small, agile, quick, d-line. Small, quick, line backers. Shifty, small running backs. Pruitt prefers massive O-linemen & D-lineman. Power smashmouth running backs, and vertical wideouts.

Right now, we simply don't have enough players that fit the scheme on this team. So Pruitt and staff are stuck forcing square pegs into rounds holes.

 

[Kingston Vol]

How do you all feel if, say, we start 1-7 and end up something like 2-10 or 3-9, and Tee is promoted to head coach with the intent to keep the entire staff?

Better or worse than a full coaching search?

 

[TrippieRedd]

This rebuild was always going to take a while. Butch Jones and Pruitt have very different philosophies on what the football team should be and look like. That goes beyond the defense scheme change from a 4-3 to a 3-4.

Butch recruited for speed and quickness. The roster has small, agile, quick, d-line. Small, quick, line backers. Shifty, small running backs. Pruitt prefers massive O-linemen & D-lineman. Power smashmouth running backs, and vertical wideouts.

Right now, we simply don't have enough players that fit the scheme on this team. So Pruitt and staff are stuck forcing square pegs into rounds holes.

You're like the best poster on here. Keep that positive energy, I like it.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

This rebuild was always going to take a while. Butch Jones and Pruitt have very different philosophies on what the football team should be and look like. That goes beyond the defense scheme change from a 4-3 to a 3-4.

Butch recruited for speed and quickness. The roster has small, agile, quick, d-line. Small, quick, line backers. Shifty, small running backs. Pruitt prefers massive O-linemen & D-lineman. Power smashmouth running backs, and vertical wideouts.

Right now, we simply don't have enough players that fit the scheme on this team. So Pruitt and staff are stuck forcing square pegs into rounds holes.

I completely agree with what you're saying...but that still doesn't excuse the losses to GaState and BYU.....then all the way back to Vandy and Mizzou last year. There was no reason this team shoudnt have finished 7-5 last year.

 

[HankHill]

We’ve all said that we need to get back to winning those last 4-5 games vs Vandy Mizzou SC Kentucky etc before we can expect to beat the FLs UGAs and Bamas again. Well, we can still do that.

You can forget us beating Missouri that’s a matchup nightmare for us even if we are playing well.

 

[Vols410]

How do you all feel if, say, we start 1-7 and end up something like 2-10 or 3-9, and Tee is promoted to head coach with the intent to keep the entire staff?

Better or worse than a full coaching search?

Much worse. If we don’t like Pruitt because he had zero HC experience, why would we go with another guy who has zero experience as an HC and mediocre success as an OC?

 

[Vfl2407]

This rebuild was always going to take a while. Butch Jones and Pruitt have very different philosophies on what the football team should be and look like. That goes beyond the defense scheme change from a 4-3 to a 3-4.

Butch recruited for speed and quickness. The roster has small, agile, quick, d-line. Small, quick, line backers. Shifty, small running backs. Pruitt prefers massive O-linemen & D-lineman. Power smashmouth running backs, and vertical wideouts.

Right now, we simply don't have enough players that fit the scheme on this team. So Pruitt and staff are stuck forcing square pegs into rounds holes.

I really want to agree with you and then this pops into my head again:
Georgia State 10
Western Michigan 57

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

How do you all feel if, say, we start 1-7 and end up something like 2-10 or 3-9, and Tee is promoted to head coach with the intent to keep the entire staff?

Better or worse than a full coaching search?

Let it go

 

[thunderduck17]

How do you all feel if, say, we start 1-7 and end up something like 2-10 or 3-9, and Tee is promoted to head coach with the intent to keep the entire staff?

Better or worse than a full coaching search?

Not only will Pruitt not get fired after 1-11 or 2-10, he shouldn't be fired. He also shouldn't be fired after next year. You hire any coach, you should give them 4 years to see what their program truly looks like. You want to attract a head coach that you think can turn this thing around? Firing his predecessor after less than 2 years on the job is not the way to go about it. That would scare off any strong candidates way more than our past decade of losing would.

You want to end this dreadful cycle? Stay the course. That's our best shot right now. This isn't a video game. There is no reset button here.