Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[UTSuave’]

Too many people agreeing with Kingston today.

Folks have gone completely mad.

You can lead a horse to water but you can force it to drink.

 

[Dooby15]

Only if he can outrun that safety, which I highly doubt. Maybe a good stiff arm would do the job, but haven't seen that from him to be honest.

I don’t know. He was about 10-15 yards past him and if JG hits him in stride...., either way it’s a game changing play with score only 7-0. And that’s after the drop int.

 

[bignewt]

F Mullen. I hate that goober.

 

[quadlee21]

I love this kid. He has a great personality

 

[VolGee4]

I hear you bro. I just think there’s a lot of people playing both sides of the fence in an attempt to take up for the coaches.

People can’t say Pruitt doesn’t have the horses to win or be competitive in games then turn around and say this team is 3-1 or 4-0 with a decent QB.

I certainly think everyone can share the blame. The GSU game was on the coaches, too. But we could have beaten BYU with a better QB. We have a second year head coach who is going to make some mistakes, and we have young players everywhere. We have to have a solid QB to at least compete with our peers, and we can't do it.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I like Crouch.

 

[SLICKYINC]

I love this kid. He has a great personality

Seems to be really high on this staff still and he's selling it to recruits. I mean if the kids are still bought in, maybe we should all take a step back as fans.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I certainly think everyone can share the blame. The GSU game was on the coaches, too. But we could have beaten BYU with a better QB. We have a second year head coach who is going to make some mistakes, and we have young players everywhere. We have to have a solid QB to at least compete with our peers, and we can't do it.

The fact of the matter is we suck all the way around. The roster sucks, the QB sucks, the coaches suck.

 

[VolGee4]

He was given leeway with 35 or 40 initial counters in 1 year. Using the new grad transfer rule, he took an absurd number of fbs grad transfers. He started this year by beating an fcs team by 5 points and akron by 9. Not saying he may not be a good coach, but he was given a once in a lifetime opportunity to load up extremely fast. Not apples to apples.

Still, I will say his ability to bring a bunch of unrelated guys with zero chemistry together to win immediately is impressive.

This. Very different situation. Not a good comparison.

 

[VolGee4]

The fact of the matter is we suck all the way around. The roster sucks, the QB sucks, the coaches suck.

Maybe. But if the QB were just average (unlike other positions), we wouldn't suck.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Seems to be really high on this staff still and he's selling it to recruits. I mean if the kids are still bought in, maybe we should all take a step back as fans.

I’m telling you the issues are coming from the Upperclassmen. I think the young kids understand that they are still learning and will get better every day. Some of the Upperclassmen I believe are struggling with the fact that they aren’t seeing the field.

 

[Weezer]

Look at Chaney’s play calling at Georgia compared to tennessee,I totally understand he’s hindered by the QB position so that limits a lot but even with JG’s issues.he’s still not using the play makers we have on Offense as far as Jet sweeps(RB),The TE (DWA) or even using Couch in some type of running package to give him some type of space to make a play,you could even throw Jauan in there on a trick play.

im just sayin it’s obvious the QB sucks so work around that and use the play makers you have to throw off the defensive off.When Chaney was At Georgia he was using his RB,TE a lot and used a lot of play action also while doing the “flea flicker” but it was never a “look to the WR outside First approach” which allowed everything to open up..here we are doing swing passes and hand offs ..the 3 plays and a cloud of dust is old school and won’t work.that’s why Les Miles is at KU and Steve’s spurrier is retired.Saban was on the verge of being passed up till he altered his offense a little bit other teams were catching on but he has the O line and play makers to do that.Creativity Use the tools around your QB to make him look atleast relevant even if he is S**t.i just don’t think we are including all of our play makers much.

We're using our RBs. We've attempted to use the TE, but JG can't get it to him. We've tried a few trick plays with little success. I mean, JG has trouble even with the swing passes. I'm just not sure you can blame Chaney's "creativity" when the QB is so obviously struggling with everything. It's not one part of the game JG is having trouble with. It's all parts of the game.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Maybe. But if the QB were just average (unlike other positions), we wouldn't suck.

If the coaches were average we wouldn’t be staring down the barrel of 1-7

 

[SLICKYINC]

Hate to use the ignore feature on here. I've been on here since 2010 and never used it until 3 weeks ago, but it's obvious who the pop shot trolls are and pot stirrers. Clean up on aisle 7....

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Tbf almost all, even Mullen guys, said the same thing - of course Mullen will be better the first couple years. That gap certainly looks huge right now. He's a seasoned hc in the sec...the question was ceiling vs ceiling. Can Mullen ever breakthrough his ceiling? If we stick with Pruitt, we'll have at best a rough idea of his ceiling, but not till at least year 4 or 5, minimum. That is the hardest part of having a 1st time coach, all the "what ifs".

Let's not forget even Saban took till year 5 to get Michigan St beyond 7-5. He was barely above .500 after 4 years. And we're talking the GOAT here as comparison.

Also never had a losing season at Michigan State.

 

[VolGee4]

no, we didn't either get in contact with him again or were late to the party or whatever, i forget the specifics....but............Mullen wasn't choice one here. we talked, and hired Schiano. and as soon as Kelly got hired by UCLA, Florida made Mullen the priority. by the time we decided to come back around, it was already over.

our window to hire Mullen was before UCLA hired Chip Kelly, cause that was UF's first choice.

I was told by a connected MSU friend that Stricklen probably didn't want to hire Mullen, and that seems to be the case with Kelly as their first choice. He had to fall back on Mullen since it's who he knew.

Stricklen is from Jackson, MS, has a degree from MSU and married the daughter of one of MSU's best basketball players. I was told that he won't be welcomed back if he hires Dan Mullen. Welp, he did.

 

[Devo182]

@HankHill
Have you rewatched the Int to Callaway play? I noticed JG called JJ in motion and he ran back where he came from. Afaik one does that sometimes to see if the defense is in man or zone. The lb moved right along with JJ. Did this make JG think they were in man defense? Or would the CB squat or move backward regardless? I would think he's usually only squatting when in zone and usually only playing back when in man. Just curious your thoughts.

 

[VolGee4]

Look at Chaney’s play calling at Georgia compared to tennessee,I totally understand he’s hindered by the QB position so that limits a lot but even with JG’s issues.he’s still not using the play makers we have on Offense as far as Jet sweeps(RB),The TE (DWA) or even using Couch in some type of running package to give him some type of space to make a play,you could even throw Jauan in there on a trick play.

im just sayin it’s obvious the QB sucks so work around that and use the play makers you have to throw off the defensive off.When Chaney was At Georgia he was using his RB,TE a lot and used a lot of play action also while doing the “flea flicker” but it was never a “look to the WR outside First approach” which allowed everything to open up..here we are doing swing passes and hand offs ..the 3 plays and a cloud of dust is old school and won’t work.that’s why Les Miles is at KU and Steve’s spurrier is retired.Saban was on the verge of being passed up till he altered his offense a little bit other teams were catching on but he has the O line and play makers to do that.Creativity Use the tools around your QB to make him look atleast relevant even if he is S**t.i just don’t think we are including all of our play makers much.

I didn't always praise Chaney before he came back, but I think he's done a decent job. The only thing that I want to see is Ty and Gray in the game at the same time and trying to get the ball to Ty without a swing pass.

He has schemed open DWA a couple of times. Our OL play is much better, and he can call straight runs that work. I just think the QB is holding him back.

 

[jakez4ut]

Tbf almost all, even Mullen guys, said the same thing - of course Mullen will be better the first couple years. That gap certainly looks huge right now. He's a seasoned hc in the sec...the question was ceiling vs ceiling. Can Mullen ever breakthrough his ceiling? If we stick with Pruitt, we'll have at best a rough idea of his ceiling, but not till at least year 4 or 5, minimum. That is the hardest part of having a 1st time coach, all the "what ifs".

Let's not forget even Saban took till year 5 to get Michigan St beyond 7-5. He was barely above .500 after 4 years. And we're talking the GOAT here as comparison.

yep.

 

[butchna]

I actually agree with Kingston.

That being said, if DWA had been able to catch the pass in stride, I think he definitely had a chance to score. But he'd already broken stride anticipating that the pass would be underthrown, only to have it sail 7 yards over his head.

Not a soul around him. Walks in untouched.

 

[butchna]

Just a thought on guys like Reid, Ignont, etc (assuming they didn't graduate already).

They are possibly giving up a year by transferring, sitting out 2020, and playing as a rs sr in 2021.

Just hope they understand a possible consequence of their actions.

Unless they go FCS...which I expect.

 

[LynxVol]

Does anyone else hate the well Butch's players are still on the roster excuse that people throw out? It's the responsibility of the head coach to get everyone to buy in and not just your guys. Their have been plenty of coaches that have come to new programs and won with the previous coaches players and Butch left some talent for Pruitt to work with.

Very overused excuse. It is the coaching staff's job to get the best out of each player. Butch didn't leave a lot of talent in crucial positions, but he left more than 1-4.

 

[jakez4ut]

I was told by a connected MSU friend that Stricklen probably didn't want to hire Mullen, and that seems to be the case with Kelly as their first choice. He had to fall back on Mullen since it's who he knew.

Stricklen is from Jackson, MS, has a degree from MSU and married the daughter of one of MSU's best basketball players. I was told that he won't be welcomed back if he hires Dan Mullen. Welp, he did.

yeah...it was obvious Mullen wanted the UF job.

i was on the fence with Mullen at the time, but i wouldn't have been mad at hiring him. i would have understood it.

what i didn't understand is if he was first on the list, how on Earth did you not get your best foot forward? i'm not sure he would have taken our job either way, but i don't get the feeling we put our best foot forward, either in prioritizing him, financially from the standpoint of making an offer he can't refuse or just not staying in contact long before and after CBJ was fired.

my whole thing back then was if you have a #1, and that's' the ONE you wanted the most.....you simply don't take no for an answer.

and if nothing else, it most certainly feels like we did take no, or we were way late to the party.

anyway, the window we had to hire him was before UCLA hired Kelly. that much i feel confident in.

it doesn't matter now, not sure what purpose it serves to go back on it now........

 

[jakez4ut]

I didn't always praise Chaney before he came back, but I think he's done a decent job. The only thing that I want to see is Ty and Gray in the game at the same time and trying to get the ball to Ty without a swing pass.

He has schemed open DWA a couple of times. Our OL play is much better, and he can call straight runs that work. I just think the QB is holding him back.

the only thing Chaney hasn't had is a qb. i haven't had too many issues with the play calling.

the qb hasn't been good and we've had drive klling penalties from OL...both unsportsmanlike/unnecessary roughness calls.....

anyway. i don't put any of this on chaney at this point. we haven't really benn in a situation in a game where playcalling would make a difference, situationally speaking.

 

[SpringBokVol]

I've moved on.

But I am still just sick about it. I hate where we are.

Ugh.