Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[I4Jay]

You’re focused on recruiting.
I’m talking about coaching up kids who are on the roster. No one gives a **** who recruited who, you HAVE to coach what you have.
These kids aren’t being coached up.
Go watch last years games, come back and watch these last two games.
It’s the same product. Same issues.
Misalignments, missed tackles, poor communications, missed assignments, poor reads, little to no football IQ from nearly everyone to a man.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

I'm literally convinced Nick Saban and Dabo wouldn't be able to make it here. Tennessee is a storied program with rich history, the best fans, and great facilities yet it's a terrible terrible job and everyone knows it. I sincerely don't believe we will ever win the SEC East in my lifetime.

The real freakout begins when Bailey decommits later this year.

Ok. Stop being a Vol fan then. That will lift the curse.

 

[SLICKYINC]

The upperclassmen are still their responsibility is what I think Jay is saying. They should be getting more out of them.

So the freshmen and Sophomores are taking to development but the upperclassmen aren’t. But that’s on the coaches? You guys make little to no sense.

His whole analysis was a contradiction.

 

[LynxVol]

Do you not understand me? The guys on the roster aren’t showing improvement. Guys are the same players they were the second they stepped on campus. Most making the same mistakes they have been making since day one.
I’m telling y’all, we have gotten to a place with our program where playing tough vs a bad BYU team is a positive.
The talent on their roster is NOWHERE NEAR ours. And they made adjustments all game to stop what we do. We actually wilted and gave away a late lead.
The coaching leaves a lot to be desired.
Great coaches have an immediate impact on style of play and playing tendencies immediately. Nick Saban walked in and had players playing better. Even if the record didn’t show right away. That’s what you want to see in coaches. Urban Meier, same. Even Mack Brown has UNC Playing smart and better football. Meanwhile we, play like ass vs Georgia state and BYU. Bad fundamentals, misalignments, penalties, undisciplined play, Garbage substitution patterns... etc

Personally, I thought this staff did really well coaching guys last year. Only took a 4-8 team to 5-7, but those games against UK and Auburn weren’t mistakes. We played well and were coached well. The previous 2 staffs wouldn’t beat UK or win in Auburn.

I don’t think BYU is bad. Wilson is going to be a very good QB, and he made plays. It’s amazing what can happen when players simply make plays.

I think we are underestimating how poor our DL is outside of Taylor. Played better last night, but that part of the roster leaves a lot to be desired.

The substitutions are puzzling. That 100% is coaching and it’s silly. Should not be an issue.

 

[Jimdog's Revenge]

Regardless of the score (up 50 or down 50) I want to see our backup quarterbacks in the game and THROWING it against UTC. Have to get them game reps

 

[RikidyBones]

The upperclassmen are still their responsibility is what I think Jay is saying. They should be getting more out of them.

Upper classmen always present the main problem in coaching turnovers. They learned how to do things a specific way for two plus years. To reverse the instincts that you embedded from the prior staff is a tough thing to do. Saban had issues, Kirby had issues, most of them do. The more different each staff is, the harder it is to get them to not only buy in, but change habits.

These guys have all been successful at the highest level of college sports and the only difference are the players. The notion that it's on the upperclassmen and not the coaches is supported by who we as fans consider the bright spots. Toots, Gray, BT, etc. who are all freshmen or sophomores. It's a trash and unrealistic argument by I4 that conveniently forgets the result of the coaches hes uses in comparison.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

So the freshmen and Sophomores are taking to development but the upperclassmen aren’t. But that’s on the coaches? You guys make little to no sense.

His whole analysis was a contradiction.

It’s all emotion and gnashing of teeth right now. Truth is, im much more positive about this team today than I was yesterday. We made huge strides from week 1 to week 2. Need to figure QB out and we’re good

 

[InVOLuntary]

Firing Pruitt before years will be program suicide. UNLESS, you have a mou from a Stoops/urban Meyer type coach.

We gave Dooley time and we gave Butch time and were still not able to attract any coach. Remember, no one wants this job. If we're already dead how do we commit suicide?

I'm not advocating he be fired. All I'm saying is my confidence in him succeeding here is at about a 1 on a scale of 1-100.

 

[rocktopper16]

He doesn’t have the ability to lead a football team. He is running out of excuses. He’s had 8 months to get this team ready and they have regressed. If you don’t see him as being the problem Then im not sure we are watching the same team the last few years

You do realize we lost most of our production on defense, Right? Add to it Bituli is hurt and Thompson isn’t apart of the team makes our defense vulnerable.

The team has progressed, the QB hasn’t. He’s took steps backward.

 

[chavisut]

We lost to Georgia State and BYU. This isn’t a one player issue.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

I still can’t get over how many bad throws JG had

 

[RikidyBones]

You’re focused on recruiting.
I’m talking about coaching up kids who are on the roster. No one gives a **** who recruited who, you HAVE to coach what you have.
These kids aren’t being coached up.
Go watch last years games, come back and watch these last two games.
It’s the same product. Same issues.
Misalignments, missed tackles, poor communications, missed assignments, poor reads, little to no football IQ from nearly everyone to a man.

You're right. The coaches who have coached up elite units are suddenly garbage. The dude who got Nathan Peterman drafted suddenly cant coach. At some point, it's on the players and players only. You can only lead a horse to water. Trash argument.

 

[drvenner]

Asking for a friend. Typically after a loss how long does it take for the sewage in the FF to stop seeping into the RF?

February at least

 

[BeecherVol]

What's crazy about that is you have 1 vs 1 on the right side. And 3 vs 5 on the other.

 

[govols24]

But in all seriousness. RF posters in general have a higher IQ about recruiting and a overall better understanding of where the program is what it’s going to take to turn it around.

May I suggest you post more over in the FF. Seems to be right in your wheel house.

Yeah, all the people that were over here drinking Butch Jones’ bath water really had their finger on the pulse of the program.

 

[rocktopper16]

We lost to Georgia State and BYU. This isn’t a one player issue.

Indeed it is.

 

[rocktopper16]

Yeah, all the people that were over here drinking Butch Jones’ bath water really had their finger on the pulse of the program.

He had a lot of Guys drafted

 

[LynxVol]

The upperclassmen are still their responsibility is what I think Jay is saying. They should be getting more out of them.

I know that, but how many of them are playing meaningful snaps? JG? Warrior? Shamburger? Who else? Bituli will be one soon hopefully.

I respect Jay’s opinion, so I’m intrigued with the conversation.

It just makes no sense to compare what our staff is doing with the likes of Saban and Meyer. Very, very different situations. Not to mention those are HOF, generational coaches. It’s also hard for me to put every ounce of blame on the coaches at this point. Research every single coach individually, and it’s hard to find support that indicates they aren’t pretty good at coaching ball. I can’t blame Pruitt for A. Taylor blowing coverage like last night. He’s obviously not coached to do that. I’d rather not list a bunch more similar examples. But, I believe coaching problems are of a different nature to X’s and O’s. I see administrative problems. I see motivational problems. Those are just as important, IMO. And those problems could very well be the reason why Pruitt may not be the guy to get us back to relevance.

 

[Ashevolle]

Yeah, all the people that were over here drinking Butch Jones’ bath water really had their finger on the pulse of the program.

I don't remember anyone praising his coaching prowess. His recruiting, yes.

 

[Z06VolinWV]

We gave Dooley time and we gave Butch time and were still not able to attract any coach. Remember, no one wants this job. If we're already dead how do we commit suicide?

I'm not advocating he be fired. All I'm saying is my confidence in him succeeding here is at about a 1 on a scale of 1-100.

I agree the program is barely surviving on life support.
The Dooley and Jones hires were made under inept ADs. I just give Fulmer the time and financial support, a good hire can be made if necessary.
This season is a complete bust 2 games in. I will reserve judgment moving forward to see what Pruitt does to change what he can. We are truly still suffering from a Jimmy and Joe issue. Isk what he can do about JG. They see so much more than we do, and there’s a reason he keeps trotting JG our thwre.

 

[UTSuave’]

Anyone else think JG is just out for himself? the QBR is always consistent. Averaging 6.3 yards passing is pathetic.its clear we need a new QB.that move alone might show a whole new offense that can put up points.the game should have never been close

 

[drvenner]

Let's also not forget our first TD could easily have been a pick and definitely was very fortunate to be caught.

 

[TheTimeIsNow]

IS Will Friend really out or was that just a fake rumor?

 

[engineerVOL]

QBR is niiicee Averaging 6.3 yards passing is pathetic.its clear we need a new QB.that move alone might show a whole new offense that can put up points.the game should have never been close

With that YPC and attempts by our backfield Guarantano should have been hitting some bombs

 

[RiotVol]

I wonder if Helton gave him a much tighter leash (one read, then checkdown), and Chaney is asking him to actually survey the field like a competent QB.