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[VolArmy74]

This is completely false.


I don't know if Pruitt is any good or not. I certainly won't claim he's "great". But you don't change people. You can remove them. You can make a refusal to change "painful". You can influence them to a degree. But people don't change until they choose to change. As convenient and easy as it may seem just to blame the leader.... sometimes people won't let go of their own agenda at any cost. Sometimes those people don't reveal themselves for a while or until some event exposes them.

You couldn't be more wrong about the ability of a leader to mold or change people. I've seen it happen too many times on the football field. I'm seeing it in a big way at the local high school this year with a kid who had 0 motivation his first two years of high school and was in trouble constantly. He joined the football team and the coaches turned his life around by giving him discipline and structure. He bought into what they told him. He hadn't been on a football field in 3 years and is now the best player on the team after one spring and summer with them. He credits them with setting him straight.

In your ridiculous scenario things like mentors, leaders or even parents are useless because people would always be what they are regardless of outside influence.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

How do you know he isn't getting it? Should we know when you get disciplined at your job?

Thanks Dad.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

overstate much?

No not at all. GA State's program is what ten years old?

 

[lilesrt]

Didn’t everyone feel confident that Pruitt would beat GA St too?

Tennessee needs to stop worrying about hiring the "right fit" (clearly we're not good at it), and resign itself to hiring the coach that can and has done more with less. Mike Leach would have been a great hire. At this point, a few 7,8,9 win seasons would be a welcome change and is a goal Mike Leach is well capable of.

 

[T2P_Priceless]

Hey, it's the same in business. My experience in the working world is this. If you get re-orged into a situation with a new boss, and as the years pass, he hires new employees, in some (not all) cases when it comes time for layoffs, the boss has a tendency to stick with his hires. Why? In a way, letting them go could be admitting you made a mistake, plus there is some kind of bond "he's one of mine" thing.

So maybe Pruitt has an affinity towards the newer, younger less experienced guys. The new guys are getting playing time and the old heads are seeing the bench. It sort of becomes a self fulfilling prophecy to slack up when the handwriting is on the wall that you are "redundant". Maybe not fair to the old guys. Heck I'm an old guy and have seen this in the working world, however - bottom line is, when you can't give your all and someone else can, you are going to get culled. And yes, it's a cancer for a football team just as it is in the workplace. Only thing that gets you over the hump is letting the chips fall where they may and give it time to reach equilibrium.

Absolutely not that. He's playing the best players he can at all positions. You don't think he wants to win? His career depends on it. It just happens that a bunch of the newer players are better than some of these Jrs.

 

[lilesrt]

Absolutely not that. He's playing the best players he can at all positions. You don't think he wants to win? His career depends on it. It just happens that a bunch of the newer players are better than some of these Jrs.

Do you think Jeremy Pruitt regrets taking the job at Tennessee? Tennessee being viewed as a "career killing" job does not bode well for us.

 

[salutethehill]

Or was it the same Fulmer that won a NC? Orchestrated the Decade of Dominance? Or the head coach that other high profile coaches called "the closer" on the recruiting trail?

I think Phillip Fulmer is a pretty accomplished dude, and one of the top three coaches that this school has ever had.
PS I'm still a big fan of Johnny F'n Majors as well.

Yup. CPF won a lot of games.. a title... all that good stuff. Definitely an all-time great coach.
He also had his fair share of player personnel issues (hello Fulmer cup). That didn't seem to be his forte - still may not be. That was my point.

 

[T2P_Priceless]

Do you think Jeremy Pruitt regrets taking the job at Tennessee? Tennessee being viewed as a "career killing" job does not bode well for us.

I wouldn't and I hope he doesn't. As a winner and a competitor it only drives me more to fail. When I play pickup ball and lose and I never want to change teams, I always want to stick it out and try to win with the team I have. It feels like giving up to just quit my team and go to something better.

I would wager that most of us on this forum are this way. Otherwise you would jump ship and root for one of those other teams I shall not name.

 

[greazy1722]

Its

Leach was ready to take our roster on.

Its nothing wrong with this damn roster..Just bad coaching..Players in wrong positions.. All these players was recruited by all the other big schools.. If he thought the roster was bad then he should have played freshmans and sophomores and he could have let some of the kids transfer that didnt want to be there..My opinion

 

[MikeVol44]

I agree CJP inherited a mess but that does not mean he gets a pass for the worst loss UT has ever suffered & arguably the worst in CFB history. Horrible play calling, bad in game management, treating the game like a scrimmage, no emotion or sense of urgency etc. is all on him. Just about any HS coach in East Tn could have devised a game plan good enough even with our deficiencies to beat GA ST. So, some judgment needs to be passed down on him for the GA ST disaster.

This is true... I'm full on the CJP bandwagon.....but if he's got turds in the punchbowl who don't want to do the work and play with passion on Saturday--what is he gonna do?

Kiffin RAN OFF a bunch of Fulmer's DEAD WOOD on the OL in 2009 and almost NO ONE ON HERE backed him.
Called him foolish, and stupid, inexperienced...yada...yada...yada

CJP has stayed calm--he KNOWS which players are the problem....and HE is the only man in the position to handle it.

Maybe a bunch of those Freshman OL and those sophomore dudes need to show up and beat the living sh-eye-te out of those upperclassmen who are attitude problems.

I'm interested in seeing the team that takes the field against BYU Saturday night and how they play.

GO VOLS!

 

[ptcarter]

Absolutely not that. He's playing the best players he can at all positions. You don't think he wants to win? His career depends on it. It just happens that a bunch of the newer players are better than some of these Jrs.

Can't totally disagree. With that in mind, the young players are making young players mistakes. Wasn't Peyton's first pass an interception? There is also talk (Ainge show) that Pruitt and staff were looking ahead, using this game as a practice game for getting young guys experience. Who knows. Problem is, whatever happened, it didn't work. I'd hate to be in Pruitt's shoes now. Not all his problems are self inflicted. Some are but he lost a lot of his mulligen "good will". Can he bounce back, yes, but his road with the fanbase just got a lot longer. Will see how it unfolds.

 

[T2P_Priceless]

Its

Its nothing wrong with this damn roster..Just bad coaching..Players in wrong positions.. All these players was recruited by all the other big schools.. If he thought the roster was bad then he should have played freshmans and sophomores and he could have let some of the kids transfer that didnt want to be there..My opinion

That's kind of what is happening. He's playing Fresh and Soph and leaving some of these Jrs 2 and 3 deep and they don't like it but most of them are not leaving (except players like Murphy). But when they do get in the game they're not playing hard enough. I like what another poster said earlier. Either Pruitt puts up with this crap for another year and stays somewhat competitive or he cuts bait with all of them and plays only the players who play hard but don't necessarily know what to do (a bunch of that happened Sat) and loses all the games. I don't know...maybe that's what's happening as well.

 

[T2P_Priceless]

Can't totally disagree. With that in mind, the young players are making young players mistakes. Wasn't Peyton's first pass an interception? There is also talk (Ainge show) that Pruitt and staff were looking ahead, using this game as a practice game for getting young guys experience. Who knows. Problem is, whatever happened, it didn't work. I'd hate to be in Pruitt's shoes now. Not all his problems are self inflicted. Some are but he lost a lot of his mulligen "good will". Can he bounce back, yes, but his road with the fanbase just got a lot longer. Will see how it unfolds.

I absolutely think the entire staff used this game as a scrimmage, a tuneup, another audition to see who to play vs BYU. The players even admitted in their interviews in subtle ways that they didn't prep for GAst. I don't necessarily blame the staff for treating it this way but definitely a lesson learned.

 

[Booker512]

(I have not seen anything in regards to this)

But I am curious as to what is going on with Fils Aime, heard Tim Jordan has a twisted ankle so he's out for a little bit. Then you had Pruitt say we only have two running backs now (Chandler and Grey)....gotta be a little bit of a kick in the stones for Carlin. Anyone heard anything about him?

 

[Wadetime]

Whats up with Tim Jordan? And I'm good with Eric Gray he looked great. I know he's still learning, but as long as he can upgrade his pass blocking this week and next before SEC play, I say turn him loose!!!! Little 1-2 punch with him and Chandler until Jordan can come back 100%.

Slow as molasses

 

[T2P_Priceless]

(I have not seen anything in regards to this)

But I am curious as to what is going on with Fils Aime, heard Tim Jordan has a twisted ankle so he's out for a little bit. Then you had Pruitt say we only have two running backs now (Chandler and Grey)....gotta be a little bit of a kick in the stones for Carlin. Anyone heard anything about him?

I saw a clip of the practice yesterday and Jordan was literally limping through drills...not sure why he was running through the drills with that bad a limp.

 

[Booker512]

I saw a clip of the practice yesterday and Jordan was literally limping through drills...not sure why he was running through the drills with that bad a limp.

Yeah. I heard he has a trashed ankle. Probably gonna miss the BYU game at least....just wondering why Pruitt didn't mention Carlin Fils-Aime as a possible fill in. Did he get moved to D-back again? Or what? Dude is a ghost these days. Always felt like he had speed just could never be consistent.

 

[T2P_Priceless]

Yeah. I heard he has a trashed ankle. Probably gonna miss the BYU game at least....just wondering why Pruitt didn't mention Carlin Fils-Aime as a possible fill in. Did he get moved to D-back again? Or what? Dude is a ghost these days. Always felt like he had speed just could never be consistent.

He didn't even dress for the GA St game. He was on the sidelines in jeans and jersey. Not sure what's up there. Maybe buried on depth chart and on scout team? Or something else going on not reported (illness?)

 

[FLVOL_79]

Possibly no Tim Jordan against BYU... not a good development for ball security and pass protection, but the other guys are better for big plays. Could see Eric Gray having a coming out party.

 

[T2P_Priceless]

Yeah. I heard he has a trashed ankle. Probably gonna miss the BYU game at least....just wondering why Pruitt didn't mention Carlin Fils-Aime as a possible fill in. Did he get moved to D-back again? Or what? Dude is a ghost these days. Always felt like he had speed just could never be consistent.

This from 247...

"Although it was Beasley who requested the move to offense, he gives the Vols some extra insurance in the backfield. Tennessee only had four scholarship players there throughout the preseason with Carlin Fils-aime still working his way back from an injury, and then Jeremy Banks was moved to linebacker. That left Tennessee with a three-man running back committee with Ty Chandler, Tim Jordan and freshman Eric Gray, and Jordan suffered a minor ankle injury in the loss to Georgia State."

So I guess he's still working back from an injury. He goes on to say...

“We’ve got three running backs, and Tim’s got a turned ankle, so now we’ve got two,” Pruitt said after Wednesday’s practice. “ So apparently he's not even counting Fils-Aime.

 

[Booker512]

Maybe

He didn't even dress for the GA St game. He was on the sidelines in jeans and jersey. Not sure what's up there. Maybe buried on depth chart and on scout team? Or something else going on not reported (illness?)

Sucks. Maybe hes one of the guys in the dog house or maybe hes just too banged up.

In all honesty, if I were him I would have probably already transferred out to like a MW or Sun Belt team. Especially after Banks and Grey were brought in. I think he could have thrived in an easier conference.

 

[sjt18]

You couldn't be more wrong about the ability of a leader to mold or change people. I've seen it happen too many times on the football field.

Sorry but I'm not giving you an opinion. This is a fact. Leaders may change environments. They may change the culture and expectations. They do not change people. You can kill yourself with stress believing that you have the power to change people who do not wish to change by just finding the magic formula. I know from experience. I was taught that failed concept in college. I became a successful leader after discovering that people change or they don't. You can influence them. You can change the "economics" of their choices.... but ultimately the decision to change is theirs alone.

People who won't... you have to give an invitation to go work somewhere else.

I'm seeing it in a big way at the local high school this year with a kid who had 0 motivation his first two years of high school and was in trouble constantly. He joined the football team and the coaches turned his life around by giving him discipline and structure. He bought into what they told him. He hadn't been on a football field in 3 years and is now the best player on the team after one spring and summer with them. He credits them with setting him straight.

He chose to play? He chose to continue? He chose to conform to discipline? He could have just as easily rebelled and quit, right?

In your ridiculous scenario things like mentors, leaders or even parents are useless because people would always be what they are regardless of outside influence.

Hardly. It is once you realize that you can't make the horse drink... that you become a good leader. Leaders who think they can will someone else to change... are destined to fail.

 

[VolArmy74]

Sorry but I'm not giving you an opinion. This is a fact. Leaders may change environments. They may change the culture and expectations. They do not change people. You can kill yourself with stress believing that you have the power to change people who do not wish to change by just finding the magic formula. I know from experience. I was taught that failed concept in college. I became a successful leader after discovering that people change or they don't.

People who won't... you have to give an invitation to go work somewhere else.

He chose to play? He chose to continue? He chose to conform to discipline? He could have just as easily rebelled and quit, right?

Hardly. It is once you realize that you can't make the horse drink... that you become a good leader. Leaders who think they can will someone else to change... are destined to fail.

I believe you may not know the definition of opinion if you think a blanket statement about human nature is a 100 percent verifiable fact.

 

[sjt18]

I believe you may not know the definition of opinion if you think a blanket statement about human nature is a 100 percent verifiable fact.

It is a 100% FACT that people choose to change or they don't change. They may choose to follow a leader. They may respond to a particular style of leader. But you do not have the power to change someone else.... at least not without brainwashing or drugs.

 

[VolArmy74]

It is a 100% FACT that people choose to change or they don't change. They may choose to follow a leader. They may respond to a particular style of leader. But you do not have the power to change someone else.... at least not without brainwashing or drugs.

People responding to a particular style of leader = the power to change people. Examples are prominent in history. Look at what Adolph Hitler was able to do to an entire population of people to the detriment of humanity. Leaders can change the hearts and minds of men and women for better or worse. If you don't see this, you've not lived on this planet. So to claim a coach can't change the outlook of his players is silly and that's what you initially claimed.