Pruitts qb reasoning? (Lengthy)

#51
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1vol8 said:
Just as anyone is about HB starting over BM correct?
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Correct. However, it’s illogical to think the coaching staff is starting someone other then the person who they think is best for the job. Could they be wrong? Sure.
 
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k-town_king said:
JG is much better so he plays. Simple concept
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If that's true... UT could very well lose 10 or even 11 games this year. If they do not have a QB that plays better than JG did Saturday.... this season is going to be torture.

And NO, "stats" aren't the tell. He didn't sustain drives. He didn't lead the team to points. He didn't find the right receivers to put max pressure on their D. As he always does... he took the "safe" throw. Don't think that's lost on opposing DC's by now. Until GSU went prevent at the end and UT got a cheap score, JG led the team to 23 points. One of the worst D's returning from last year dared UT and JG to beat them by consistently moving the ball and sustaining drives with the pass... and won.
 
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GAVol said:
We get it. Maurer is your guy.

JG is not an elite QB and he took some snacks he shouldn't have and isn't the type that will take over a game... but when did 65%, 311 yards and 2 TDs become an argument for the backup QB?

We just got 38 hung on us by Ga State in our house. What are we even talking about here?
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Those QB stats are meaningless. We couldn’t outscore Sunbelt State. The stats that matter are time wasted on unproductive drives and points scored vs points left on the field. Not to mention all the open WRs missed. Go thru the film and add it all up for yourself.

When a true Frosh RB has almost twice as many receiving yards as rushing yards and we end up losing in a beatdown vs GA State in our Neyland home opener there’s something very wrong under center.

Don’t scapegoat the play calling bc JG had plenty of time to throw and WRs open all over the field and he couldn’t find any of them. Captain Checkdown has no downfield vision and can’t get the ball to the strength of our O, our experienced WRs DOWNFIELD.

Despite throwing massive QB resources at JG including TWO NC winners in Weinke and Martin not to mention Manning offering advice and the QB Whisperer himself Jim Chaney there was ZERO improvement in JG and in fact he’s arguably worse.

When we waste time on O and can’t score points it puts our already undermanned mediocre D on the field far too long making a bad situation worse. It’s a domino chain failure cascade that starts and ends under center with the only guy who touches the ball every single play.

When you combine all that with JG’s crappy body language and his unwillingness to step forward to take any level of accountability for an unacceptable loss to Sunbelt State and lead this team, the JG experiment has come to its end. It’s time to cut him loose bc he’s a known commodity atp.

I’d rather lose playing for the future with Bo Nix’s Elite QB Camp-mate Brian Maurer than continue to follow Einstein’s definition of insanity with JG.

But as long as there are Volfans and coaches willing to accept continuous sustained mediocrity and apathy I’m not holding my breath.
 
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Woke said:
Those QB stats are meaningless. We couldn’t outscore Sunbelt State. The stats that matter are time wasted on unproductive drives and points scored vs points left on the field. Not to mention all the open WRs missed. Go thru the film and add it all up for yourself.

When a true Frosh RB has almost twice as many receiving yards as rushing yards and we end up losing in a beatdown vs GA State in our Neyland home opener there’s something very wrong under center.

Don’t scapegoat the play calling bc JG had plenty of time to throw and WRs open all over the field and he couldn’t find any of them. Captain Checkdown has no downfield vision and can’t get the ball to the strength of our O, our experienced WRs DOWNFIELD.

Despite throwing massive QB resources at JG including TWO NC winners in Weinke and Martin not to mention Manning offering advice and the QB Whisperer himself Jim Chaney there was ZERO improvement in JG and in fact he’s arguably worse.

When we waste time on O and can’t score points it puts our already undermanned mediocre D on the field far too long making a bad situation worse. It’s a domino chain failure cascade that starts and ends under center with the only guy who touches the ball every single play.

When you combine all that with JG’s crappy body language and his unwillingness to step forward to take any level of accountability for an unacceptable loss to Sunbelt State and lead this team, the JG experiment has come to its end. It’s time to cut him loose bc he’s a known commodity atp.

I’d rather lose playing for the future with Bo Nix’s Elite QB Camp-mate Brian Maurer than continue to follow Einstein’s definition of insanity with JG.

But as long as there are Volfans and coaches willing to accept continuous sustained mediocrity and apathy I’m not holding my breath.
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Wow. Nicely said.
 
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Both units underperformed, offense and defense. But we turned the ball over on offense to much and no matter what people say JG played bad, he will have to play better to keep his job and he should have to play better to keep his job. Folks don't throw stats at me, a lot of his yards and a touchdown came in trashtime. He is still making the same mistakes, I am not saying don't start him against BYU but I am saying if he struggles we need give our other Qb's a chance. A SEC qb has to be able to make plays when things break down, JG checks down instantly because he can't see downfield. He missed on more than a few wide receivers wide open. We have to throw the dadgum ball vertically more, good grief that is ridiculous. He holds on to the ball to long, he cannot recognize the most basic corner blitz still. And he throws 10 yard passes like a thousand miles a hour usually at players knees. He is fast enough in reaction, he didn't even realize where the marker was twice when he slid way way early and could have moved the chains. I could go on. No he isn't the only problem but he is the QB and his play must improve or he needs to sit. Defensively I am more upset, for all the good defensive coaches we have over there we basically played basic coverage all day and looked tire and uninspired. This is unacceptable and must change immediately, our coaches need to find starters and stick with them until they mess up then replace them. We need to settle on 5 O Linemen and go with them.
 
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1vol8 said:
We gotta start learning to put 2and 2 together on this one guys. As we all know practices are closed to the media and public. There’s a reason for that. So we only know what they WANT us to know. We know what we’re being spoon fed and we except it as truth. Although personally we’ve all gotten to witness a spring game with all involved that’s mandatory and 1 full game of nothing but JG.

Throughout spring and fall camp we’ve heard one narrative from our coach that promised us the best guys would play and the media that reports within guidelines (you can chose for yourself if you believe every word of what no one seen as complete truth).
That narrative is “The back ups are inconsistent.” And you would think JG is flawless. Believe what you wish but you can’t convince me JG hasn’t thrown erratically in practice nor can you convince me he hasn’t thrown ints. We’ve seen it in games. About two weeks ago CJP was quoted saying “the backups need to stop throwing the ball to the other team.” A few days later Weinke was quoted saying “they haven’t thrown many.”🤔. At this point we’ve seen JG perform twice. Both times he was as inconsistent as you would think any qb in the SEC could be. All of the same issues we all seen from last season, on display, once again, TWICE already in 2019.

In the spring game JG was as one point 2-9. That’s inconsistent. He struggled throughout the game with accuracy and finished just over 50%. That’s inconsistent. His TD pass to Palmer in the back of the end zone was contested with a wide open JJ underneath. That’s inconsistent or arguably consistently as bad as last year. He held the ball too long. Inconsistent. Took sacks. Inconsistent. In fact the ONLY “consistency” we PERSONALLY SEEN was BM. He started 5-5. Could’ve been 7-7 if not for a bobble OOB by a TE. He opened the second half with a bad mistake but responded with proof of a bad memory and the most beautiful throw of the day to J.Lowe. His second int is debatable if Keyton could’ve made that play and my answer is yes. But given what we all personally seen that day I have to ask if you would bet your paychecks that the white team comes out on top if JG and BM were the only 2 qbs? I know I would hesitate after seeing that.

Which brings me to my conclusion. This is a coaching tactic that’s backfired a bit. CJP has been using the media and himself to keep the competition for #2 as competitive as possible. All it’s done is create a false distrust in our backups with the fan base after seeing JGs performance. In fact I’d say they may be better in a lot of areas. The difference is experience and experience alone. Not talent. I think CJP knows that BM is our best chance to win OFFENSIVELY. But he’s a defensive minded coach. JGs style of play allows the game to have to be won DEFENSIVELY. Why else would you look at the top of the depth chart and see JG over BM for BYU after GAST? Pruitt wants to win with defense. And after looking at all the circumstances that’s the opinion I’ve come up with.
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This is all garbage.
 
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JFBanicki said:
Can we stop putting it all on the D? Yes they gave up 38 to Ga St but they were also out there constantly because our O couldn’t move the ball and give them a decent break. Granted they should have played better but with the nonstop rotations no players could get a rhythm or read on the other team. It also doesn’t help that we have a veteran QB that still played like it was his first ever college game.

This was a complete team loss, not just the D, not just the O not just ST, not even just the coaches, this was all of them combining to put on the crappiest crapfest they possibly could and sadly it didn’t look like any of them cared at all.
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Excellent post. I wish many more would understand this.
 
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sjt18 said:
He was 4/5 against GSU in prevent at the end of the game. This "great" performance was against a D that allowed 311 ypg passing last fall ranked 106 in the nation.

Their D strategy was pretty obvious. They played close to the LOS and dared UT to throw. Their calculation was that JG would get some yardage but that his decisions would stop drives. They did. You can persist in denial. That's your right. But unless he just suddenly "wakes up"... this is the same thing that's kept him from being effective in the past- DECISION MAKING. He was also responsible for at least 3 of the turnovers. Two of those were failures to read the D.

I mean seriously. How many years in college football does a QB need to have before knowing that a safety bailing out to cover an outside receiver post snap means a corner blitz is coming?

If the rest of UT's players were good enough for the QB to simply be a role player... maybe it would work. They aren't. They need someone who can manage the O AND make plays. Unless he suddenly wakes up... the O will not be effective as long as he's the starter.


PS- I know what playing one of the young QB's likely means. There would be mistakes. There would be a learning curve. It will likely result in losses.

It is a tough decision to make but JG doesn't seem to have improved. I really hoped he had.
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The thing is Mauer would make mistakes, but who is to say he also may make plays. And he may improve as he goes. JG isn't improving folks, he has had time to improve. Now I hope the light goes off tomorrow for him but at this point it's not likely. The only way any Qb improves is to get the reps and opportunity, I haven't seen enough improvement in JG for me to be very confident at this point. I hope I am wrong, and I hope if he continues to play poorly that eventually they will let Mauer or Shrout have a shot. GBO!!!!!!
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
The thing is Mauer would make mistakes, but who is to say he also may make plays. And he may improve as he goes. JG isn't improving folks, he has had time to improve. Now I hope the light goes off tomorrow for him but at this point it's not likely. The only way any Qb improves is to get the reps and opportunity, I haven't seen enough improvement in JG for me to be very confident at this point. I hope I am wrong, and I hope if he continues to play poorly that eventually they will let Mauer or Shrout have a shot. GBO!!!!!!
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The cult will attack me anyway but I really and truly held out hope that JG with Martin, Chaney, and Weinke working with him would take a good step forward. But if this game is indicative... then he hasn't. Like you appear to say, he may have plateaued.

I don't think they will make a change this early. It would be a pretty bold decision to do it.
 
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This come back to one thing for me.. the backups were supposedly getting more reps than JG was all fall camp to figure out who the better “backup” was going to be... backfired imo the starter should get 75% of the reps in practice.. I’ve never been apart of a team where the starter was getting less reps than the backups.. and again I blame this on the coaches overlooking GS and implementing a lazy playbook they couldn’t open up once it was too late.. either way we should see a second QB get a few snaps in cause JG has no fear of him not being on the field and he looks lazy for it
 
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GAVol said:
We get it. Maurer is your guy.

JG is not an elite QB and he took some snacks he shouldn't have and isn't the type that will take over a game... but when did 65%, 311 yards and 2 TDs become an argument for the backup QB?

We just got 38 hung on us by Ga State in our house. What are we even talking about here?
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Offense certainly didn’t help the defense any. It is the offense that gassed our defense. Plain and simple
 
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sjt18 said:
The cult will attack me anyway but I really and truly held out hope that JG with Martin, Chaney, and Weinke working with him would take a good step forward. But if this game is indicative... then he hasn't. Like you appear to say, he may have plateaued.

I don't think they will make a change this early. It would be a pretty bold decision to do it.
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He's starting to remind me of Justin Worley with a better arm.
 
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LethalGas said:
You're delusional, I just looked up your post history.

It's honestly mind numbing how you feel about this less than mediocre QB.
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Oh wow. You just now getting initiated to his unique brand of insanity.

I been on a k-town drip feed chinese water torture for, well since that GA Tech game. So I have built up a tolerance, if not immunity to his toxic brand of buffoonery.

You trying to absorb it all at once? That's ill advised, my friend. The human constitution just aint built for kind of system shock.
 
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GAVol said:
He's starting to remind me of Justin Worley with a better arm.
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Worley's problem wasn't his head. He was slow and didn't have a great arm. He had nowhere near the WR talent JG has had. The OL he played behind in '14 allowed an amazing 43 sacks. JG has never played behind an OL any worse.

The mental comparison I would make would be Simms. He just could not process fast and make good decisions. Bray was no Einstein but he could "see" the coverage and wasn't afraid to stick the ball in there.

Have you ever noticed how other teams will often have RB's who leak out into the flat and catch the ball with no one near? Have you noticed how that never seems to happen with JG? D's know he's not going to take chances. They can consistently bait him into that throw and then make a tackle for a short gain. It happens over and over.
 
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At this point I’m certain that that the team as a whole will get better immediately with BM under center. CJP knows football so he should be first to understand that with BMs playing style vs JGs. They will no longer be able to stack the box. The running lanes open for Chandler and Grey. Calloway, Jennings and Palmer are now REAL weapons that WILL be used as targets. The defense gets more rest and the opposing offense spends more time watching.
 
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