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SLICKYINC said:
Every one of the old head players I’ve seen on Twitter is putting this squarely on the players. Several saying they never needed a coach to motivate them to go out and play with pride.

Sure, coaching was pitiful but at what point does getting hit in the mouth not make you nut up and start fighting back.
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Different generation brother.Welcome to the snowflake era👀🤷🏽‍♂️ Participation trophies.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Guys we’re in position to make plays early on and simply didn’t do it. Then they quit
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Receivers were running open downfield and JG just wouldn't throw it. I don’t care what anyone says he had all day to throw. He allowed himself to get sacked almost every time he was sacked. There was literally a time when he had almost 6 seconds of protection and he let a guy sack him instead of getting rid of it.
 
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My thoughts:

The one thing that has been keeping me going as a TN fan all these years is hope. Hope is all that we have had. After firing Fulmer, we hoped that Kiffin was the guy. Then, we hoped against hope that Dooley was the guy. Then I bought into the fake hope that Jones provided and hoped, and for a time thought, that he was the guy.

Before yesterday, I felt that I knew that what I had hoped for had arrived. Pruitt was going to be the guy. How could he not be? Best defensive coach in college football who went out and hired the best staff in college football. He brought in Jim Chaney to control the one area where we needed the most help: the offense. On top of that, he brought in some superstar talent for the OL and the defense. Surely this would be a big jump for us this year.

All offseason I have thought that we would see the kind of jump in year 2 that Kirby had at GA in year 2. No, we weren't going to win 12 games and go to the playoff, but I thought the culture would be in place. I thought that guys would be flying around, making plays and playing with the kind of intensity that you need to win in the SEC. But yesterday what I saw was completely the opposite. I saw the same thing yesterday that I saw in the Vandy game last year. I saw a team full of quitters who didn't care whether we won or lost. Their post game comments, especially JG's, tell that story. That guy cannot see that he played poorly. He either can't see it, can't admit it, or he doesn't care. I fear that its the latter. There is no fire or fight in this team. Maybe that's not the case with the younger players, I'm not sure. But if the younger players play with passion and a desire to win, then bench all of the older that don't and play all of your guys. That starts with JG. I don't care if we win 3 games. I'd rather win 3 games with Maurer giving his best than with JG who just doesn't care.

The same problems that have plagued us were there yesterday. Our OL is still bad. Our DL got pushed around by an OL that wouldn't be recruited by any team outside the sunbelt. We played soft and weak. This wasn't supposed to happen in year 2 under Fitz and under Pruitt. But it has. Here we are again. JG, even with Chaney, was still awful. Our guys still quit when the going got tough. And it seemed that they didn't even care.

But you can't just blame the team. So much of this falls on coach Pruitt. That team that played yesterday was unprepared. They believed they would walk out there and win just because their jersey has Tennessee written on it. They were not prepared. They were misaligned so many times on defense; on DEFENSE! That's supposed to be Pruitt's specialty. something is missing here. Is it Pruitt? Is it Ansley? Whoever it is, it needs to be fixed now. There is no excuse for that in year 2, game 1. But Pruitt was also making other strange mistakes. He was subbing on the DL every play! He was moving the OL around all game long, even when we were losing! And he was playing young guys with no experience like Banks at Linebacker and Grey as a blocker in key moments of the 4th quarter. Why?

It is clear after yesterday that Pruitt is in over his head. Now, there are a couple of options. They could fire him. And if he has the type of season I fear he's about to have, they probably will. But then where are we? Starting over with a new staff that won't be as good as this one and probably a recruiting class ranked in the 30's putting us even more behind. Maybe there's a better option. Maybe Fulmer needs to take Pruitt and sit-down with him, Tee, Chaney, Ansley, and Rumph, and point out the ways he's messing up and what he needs to do to fix them. There have been coaches in over their heads before, and they trusted their coaching staff, and the team got better. Maybe this is what Pruitt needs to do. Maybe he won't do it, maybe he will. But something is broken over there and it has to be fixed.

If it isn't fixed, then I'm afraid that, for the first time, I will have to acknowledge that Tennessee football is dead. Maybe forever. If this coaching staff can't fix this problem with Fulmer as AD, who can? Gruden isn't coming; Gundy isn't coming; Peterson isn't coming. Where do we turn now? Who knows, maybe on Saturday we see a different team. But I doubt it.

I have no more hope left.
 
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mrorange211 said:
There are so many on this board who just feast on the negativity. They don’t even really want the VOLS to be successful. That’s why you see them post so much in difficult times. They come out of the woodwork for these moments.
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Nah. I was as negative as anyone yesterday.

I grew up 90 minutes from Gate 21.
I went to my first game in 1985.
I’ve been going for over 30 years.
I attended the University.

I love Tennessee. I love the Vols.

So much so that I’m right back here today asking questions about how we get better, how we get out of this.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
It’s going to be really interesting because BYU might lay an egg too.

If we sneak this one out maybe the wheels stay on the cart. Lose and we’re probably starting 1-7 and maybe an interim HC.
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There will be no external coaching search if Pruitt’s not retained this year. Fulmer will simply promote from within... which most likely will be Tee.
 
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Team needs a change at QB. Not the offense necessarily, but the team. JG has no fire. He’s dead in the eyes. He’s a beaten dog or thinks he entitled to something he’s not. Play whoever has the most fire. I think that is Maurer. He’ll give the offense and defense some juice. We need energy and leadership and a winner. Winners win. It’s as simple as that. Play the QB who is most pissed off right now.
 
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vol2002 said:
Alright boys - I had to log in briefly after that debacle yesterday. Not even my 6-6 prediction foresaw that monstrosity coming. Oddly, it didn't really phase me. I watched with some friends, observed that we looked remarkably slow and listless, but had a good laugh about it afterwards. I will say I am firmly in the 2-10 camp now. Let's be real: this season is going to be a complete disaster. Great coaches don't forget how to coach and elite players don't lose their ability to play. Something else we can't see is desperately wrong with the whole program and I don't think Pruitt survives, and probably not Fulmer either. We're 5+ years from relevance, when you consider the time it will take this season and next to give Pruitt "time..." and then fire him, hire a new coach, and let that coach rebuild.

On the bright side, my Saturdays the rest of this fall (and probably next fall!) are completely free and we're going to be hiking, visiting corn mazes, picking apples, seeing friends and enjoying ourselves! I will always love and pull for Tennessee football, but life's too short to spend it on here worrying and arguing over things I cannot control.

I jumped in for this final post and to change my log in password to something complicated that I will soon forget so that even if I'm tempted, it will be too complicated to come back. Goodbye guys! The last 7 years have been entertaining!
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Farewell letters always hold up. Believe it when I see it. 😏
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Receivers were running open downfield and JG just wouldn't throw it. I don’t care what anyone says he had all day to throw. He allowed himself to get sacked almost every time he was sacked. There was literally a time when he had almost 6 seconds of protection and he let a guy sack him instead of getting rid of it.
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Facts!!!!.

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Smokeytom said:
Team needs a change at QB. Not the offense necessarily, but the team. JG has no fire. He’s dead in the eyes. He’s a beaten dog or thinks he entitled to something he’s not. Play whoever has the most fire. I think that is Maurer. He’ll give the offense and defense some juice. We need energy and leadership and a winner. Winners win. It’s as simple as that. Play the QB who is most pissed off right now.
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He’s looking out for himself man. He’s only throwing the easy completions so he can get super grades on his PFF for the NFL. He’s a selfish player, only looking out for himself at this point.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
Every one of the old head players I’ve seen on Twitter is putting this squarely on the players. Several saying they never needed a coach to motivate them to go out and play with pride.

Sure, coaching was pitiful but at what point does getting hit in the mouth not make you nut up and start fighting back.
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This is so true...Derek Barnett had the same crappy Butch Jones MAC level coaching staff as everyone else and look at what he did. The guy had a JJ Watts motor that wouldn’t stop.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
My thoughts:

The one thing that has been keeping me going as a TN fan all these years is hope. Hope is all that we have had. After firing Fulmer, we hoped that Kiffin was the guy. Then, we hoped against hope that Dooley was the guy. Then I bought into the fake hope that Jones provided and hoped, and for a time thought, that he was the guy.

Before yesterday, I felt that I knew that what I had hoped for had arrived. Pruitt was going to be the guy. How could he not be? Best defensive coach in college football who went out and hired the best staff in college football. He brought in Jim Chaney to control the one area where we needed the most help: the offense. On top of that, he brought in some superstar talent for the OL and the defense. Surely this would be a big jump for us this year.

All offseason I have thought that we would see the kind of jump in year 2 that Kirby had at GA in year 2. No, we weren't going to win 12 games and go to the playoff, but I thought the culture would be in place. I thought that guys would be flying around, making place, playing with the kind of intensity that you need to win in the SEC. But yesterday what I saw was completely the opposite. I saw the same thing yesterday that I saw in the Vandy game last year. I saw a team full of quitters who didn't care whether we won or lost. Their post game comments, especially JG's, tell that story. That guy cannot see that he played poorly. He either can't see it, can't admit it, or he doesn't care. I fear that its the latter. There is no fire or fight in this team. Maybe that's not the case with the younger players, I'm not sure. But if the younger players play with passion and a desire to win, then bench all of the older that don't and play all of your guys. That starts with JG. I don't care if we win 3 games. I'd rather win 3 games with Maurer giving his best than with JG who just doesn't care.

The same problems that have plagued us were there yesterday. Our OL is still bad. Our DL got pushed around by an OL that wouldn't be recruited by any team outside the sunbelt. We played soft and weak. This wasn't supposed to happen in year 2 under Fitz and under Pruitt. But it has. Here we are again. JG, even with Chaney, was still awful. Our guys still quit when the going got tough. And it seemed that they didn't even care.

But you can't just blame the team. So much of this falls on coach Pruitt. That team that played yesterday was unprepared. They believed they would walk out there and win just because their jersey has Tennessee written on it. They were not prepared. They were misaligned so many times on defense; on DEFENSE! That's supposed to be Pruitt's specialty. something is missing here. Is it Pruitt? Is it Ansley? Whoever it is, it needs to be fixed now. There is no excuse for that in year 2, game 1. But Pruitt was also making other strange mistakes. He was subbing on the DL every play! He was moving the OL around all game long, even when we were losing! And he was playing young guys with no experience like Banks at Linebacker and Grey as a blocker in key moments of the 4th quarter. Why?

It is clear after yesterday that Pruitt is in over his head. Now, there are a couple of options. They could fire him. And if he has the type of season I fear he's about to have, they probably will. But then where are we? Starting over with a new staff that won't be as good as this one and probably a recruiting class ranked in the 30's putting us even more behind. Maybe there's a better option. Maybe Fulmer needs to take Pruitt and sit-down with him, Tee, Chaney, Ansley, and Rumph, and point out the ways he's messing up and what he needs to do to fix them. There have been coaches in over their heads before, and they trusted their coaching staff, and the team got better. Maybe this is what Pruitt needs to do. Maybe he won't do it, maybe he will. But something is broken over there and it has to be fixed.

If it isn't fixed, then I'm afraid that, for the first time, I will have to acknowledge that Tennessee football is dead. Maybe forever. If this coaching staff can't fix this problem with Fulmer as AD, who can? Gruden isn't coming; Gundy isn't coming; Peterson isn't coming. Where do we turn now? Who knows, maybe on Saturday we see a different team. But I doubt it.

I have no more hope left.
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1 game going from sunshine to nega. Cmon Bass. Keep the hope alive and let the season play out. I do NOT think we'll see a performance like that (relative to the competition...) again all season.

Sit back and ride the journey. It'll get better.
 
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millst987 said:
I actually believe that JG is looking out for himself only. That dive yesterday that came up short, those check downs were automatic completions he could add to his stat sheet. He did nothing to attempt to win the game for us. It was very selfish play on his part.
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Dude the “stick” routes..... literally had 2 or 3 plays where the receiver was beyond the “sticks” open for the first down and JG under throws it causing them to have to come back and not gain the first down. A QB who consistently does that does not deserve to play. You learn about “stick” routes in middle school. There is no excuse for that.

I’ve said it multiple times but when it was the 4th quarter and we were down by 2 touchdowns on 4th and 3, and the QB throws the dang ball out of bounds, that QB does not deserve to play anymore. JG could of tried to tuck it, he could have tried to scramble longer and finally got a guy open, etc. but he did not. That alone tells me he is a quitter and you can’t have a quitter leading your team.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
Are we the only team in the nation that signs snowflakes?
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That’s our luck obviously.i think what they need are more former players surrounding them.if you think about it these coaches don’t even know what it means to smack that sign above there head in the locker room,the volwalk or even run through the “T”.our conspiracy theorist on here even joke about the fact he’s from bama and these are his intentions 👀😭😂 that’s why hiring “in house” is always the start of the conversation every new coaching hire.

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jordan4vols said:
The only thing that would remotely have fans “interested” in remaining games would be a qb change. I tried to hang on but that 4th and 3 where he threw it 10 yards out of bounds was the absolute last straw
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Yeah, not real strong situational awareness.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Receivers were running open downfield and JG just wouldn't throw it. I don’t care what anyone says he had all day to throw. He allowed himself to get sacked almost every time he was sacked. There was literally a time when he had almost 6 seconds of protection and he let a guy sack him instead of getting rid of it.
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Yes, can they move on from him? Is Mauer even close to being ready yet? He looks to have plenty of moxey!
 
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