Kenneth George gets diversion on felony charges

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""This thread should be blowing up since George actually hit someone Instead, yelling and idle threats seem to be a bigger problem.""" IF this about BT, idle threats? "I'm going to Slap the Sh$t out of you, and I'm going to shoot up the school", are a little more than idle threats. When you add the tearing down a metal gate, and punching a hole in the wall, along with a previous incident in SC where an order of protection was issued, as he texted death threats to his X-girlfriend! No, anyone looking at the BT situation with an open mind, would not come away with the idea that the only thing BT did wrong was make a couple of idle threats. They always seem to leave the rest of the story out of the mix.
 
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Pride85 said:
A statement that most murders occur between people who are arguing would lead directly to that extrapolation. I would like to see your backup evidence for the statement. I will almost give you a 99% certainty that those statements have been made with regularity as long as weapons have existed. In times past every incident wasn't given 1000 hours of intimate analysis giving the handful of dangerous people MORE reason to seek out their 15 minutes of fame. Although it is now drug out to 15 months of fame. If we stopped glorifying the violence, a lot of it would stop. The "Shooting up the town" incidents should receive minimal and absolutely zero information given out about the shooter. No glory, no gain.
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Go to Court one day and you see it in person. Read a news paper or watch a news broadcast and you will be convinced. Ignoring facts do not make them go away. Most likely, it makes it to happen more often because you have covered up the action which gives opinion that one can commit crimes and no be punished.
 
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I have no idea if Most Murders occur between people who are arguing; however, even if that is true, it does not mean most people that argue are murders. That is like saying most wives filing for a divorce are mad at their husbands. It does not mean, Most wives file for divorce when they get mad at their husbands. But with that said, I'd say people who are threatening violence (in the case slapping the sh$t out of you) and are committing actual violent acts at the time of the threats (tearing a metal gate off the wall for example) are more likely to carry out the threat or commit more violent acts unless stopped, than those that make a threat without the accompanying violent act(s).
 
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sjt18 said:
No. I'm saying they shouldn't be treated as if they went through with it or even might go through with it unless there's proof. If they checked his history and he's pulled a gun on someone... or if he'd had a history of beating women... or in this case if he didn't seem to have a history of running off at the mouth when angry.... then take it as credible.

He's going to miss games. At best he's going to be on some type of probation with UT. Based on what we know... he should get mandatory counseling and close supervision. They might also restrict his relationship with this particular girl.

Put him on a tight leash.

You still did not deal with the POINT. This thread should be blowing up since George actually hit someone. Instead, yelling and idle threats seem to be a bigger problem.
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That is why you gather information in an attempt to determine the truth. After all, that is the basis of our judicial system.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Go to Court one day and you see it in person. Read a news paper or watch a news broadcast and you will be convinced. Ignoring facts do not make them go away. Most likely, it makes it to happen more often because you have covered up the action which gives opinion that one can commit crimes and no be punished.
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Then why did these same courts fill up before the 24/7 media coverage of today? When I was this same age, you rarely heard of anything outside of your region and it would just be a five or ten minute report on the national news. There is a lost generation of youth that can't distinguish reality from "Call of Duty" and understand that there is a life outside their digital device. Look at the violence from today and get the mean age of the shooters. They were probably born about the time that all morality began to be systematically removed from our society. Ten commandments in government offices and moral compasses in schools.
 
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I40flyer said:
""This thread should be blowing up since George actually hit someone Instead, yelling and idle threats seem to be a bigger problem.""" IF this about BT, idle threats? "I'm going to Slap the Sh$t out of you, and I'm going to shoot up the school", are a little more than idle threats.
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No. They're simply NOT. Unless he has a history of hitting PEOPLE... which so far hasn't been established then it is an idle threat. That's especially true when you couple it with an apparent habit of running off at the mouth and never following through. Pretty much the definition of idle threats.

When you add the tearing down a metal gate, and punching a hole in the wall,
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So just to be clear what you are claiming... anyone who mouths off and hits something when angry but never seems to hit a person... is a threat to those around them?

along with a previous incident in SC where an order of protection was issued, as he texted death threats to his X-girlfriend!
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A mutual restraining order based on a case where the woman claimed she got the text but did not show it to authorities before deleting it. You really are vested in reading your bias between the lines/facts aren't you?

No, anyone looking at the BT situation with an open mind, would not come away with the idea that the only thing BT did wrong was make a couple of idle threats. They always seem to leave the rest of the story out of the mix.
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Not at all. The implications of the "rest of the story" just aren't necessarily what you very obviously want to spin them into. Not everyone who says "I'm going to knock the crap out of you"... really intends on attacking you. You've never told someone you're going to smack them if they don't leave you alone or stop badgering you?

Unless you have proof that he's followed through on the IDLE threats that seem to occur when he gets mad... then by definition they are "idle threats".
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
That is why you gather information in an attempt to determine the truth. After all, that is the basis of our judicial system.
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Yet several folks and especially I40flyer seem completely unwilling to do that. He claims he's waiting on the facts... but isn't at all.

IF there is more that we don't know then it gets more serious. But right now, we have a guy who as far as we know has not committed violence against this girl in the course of a 4 year relationship who got into an angry shouting match with her. He may or may not have made threats... that his history as we currently know it suggests he will never follow through on at all.

On top of that, some here in their "rush to be fair about the facts of this incident" have dredged up a previous incident in which he and another woman he dated were given mutual restraining orders. He supposedly threatened her life by a text that was apparently deleted BEFORE the woman went to the police claiming he threatened her.
 
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And how do you know he is waiting on fact? The facts may or may not be known the first week of September.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
There is reported, a pattern of unstable actions by a person who has repeated this actions in a period of just over a year.
These actions have been documented and he has admitted to them. We are all aware that fits of anger often lead to tragic consequences by the number of mass shootings which have recently occurred by persons who had previously exhibited fits of anger prior to their actions . If they had been counceled, some of these mass killings may have been prevented. Many may not have been. Howevere, when problems are ientified, not following up with attempts to prevent events is simply irresponsible. Neither you nor I are in a position to make a decision in this case. Repeated stupid actions are an indication that the matter should be closely investigated. I think in this case, George has earned the right to be reinstated and look forward to seeing him play this season.
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Words are not actions.

Other than a damaged gate, there is no proof of any acts of violence.

#savethegates
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Most murders are caused by an arguement or a disagreement about something with someone.
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So are you saying everyone that’s ever been in an argument with an ex should be arrested because they may commit murder? Smdh...
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Be VERY careful, nomads. Despite diplomatic posts like yours be mindful you could end up being accused of claiming all cops are bad and are hunters of Blacks. Despite the fact you never said that. We got some folks here that if you "almost" say something not 100% pro-cop you're an evil cop-hater. Be careful.

As for KG, like I stated a while back, if he hadn't been out at that hour and in the middle of a street, he'd have no problem. No matter how it transpired. The best way to avoid trouble is to not be around it. There'll always be folks who don't have sense enough to understand that.
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I choose to believe the majority of officers are good, and try to the the right thing in a difficult job. That said, one does not need to spend more than a hour on YouTube, etc. to conclude 100% isn't in the realm of reason.
 
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jarnol32 said:
So are you saying everyone that’s ever been in an argument with an ex should be arrested because they may commit murder? Smdh...
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You don’t read very well. I did not say that at all. He was arrested and spent a part of the night in jail. He has a similar problem a little over a year ago when he lived in South Carolina. He had a restraining order against him There were wittiness who reported he said he was going to shoot up the town All I am saying is that all the information needs to be gathered and decisions made afterwards. He will have a day in Court next week. Let the chips fall where they should after all the information is gathered. If the case is dropped he should be reinstated and play if the Student Council doesn’t rule against him. He for sure needs to receive anger management help. He has had two known episodes in less than 28 months. It is what it is.
 
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nomads-11 said:
I choose to believe the majority of officers are good, and try to the the right thing in a difficult job. That said, one does not need to spend more than a hour on YouTube, etc. to conclude 100% isn't in the realm of reason.
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Facts and diplomacy matter to some of our more rabid blues on VN.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. They're simply NOT. Unless he has a history of hitting PEOPLE... which so far hasn't been established then it is an idle threat. That's especially true when you couple it with an apparent habit of running off at the mouth and never following through. Pretty much the definition of idle threats.

So just to be clear what you are claiming... anyone who mouths off and hits something when angry but never seems to hit a person... is a threat to those around them?

A mutual restraining order based on a case where the woman claimed she got the text but did not show it to authorities before deleting it. You really are vested in reading your bias between the lines/facts aren't you?

Not at all. The implications of the "rest of the story" just aren't necessarily what you very obviously want to spin them into. Not everyone who says "I'm going to knock the crap out of you"... really intends on attacking you. You've never told someone you're going to smack them if they don't leave you alone or stop badgering you?

Unless you have proof that he's followed through on the IDLE threats that seem to occur when he gets mad... then by definition they are "idle threats".
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There seems to be a mental (of factual) road block many on this board, just can't overcome. They do not understand the difference between assault/aggravated assault/battery. They are so certain as to their knowledge, they refuse to take the 10 seconds to look up the Tennessee Law on the subject! You do not have to actually physically hit someone for the Law in Tennessee (and most other places) concerning assault to be applied. In Fact, the law used the phrase "causing a person to reasonably fear imminent bodily injury". I guess there are those that think after BT tore the metal gate off and shouted to his girlfriend "I'm going to Slap the SH@t out of you", this does not rise to the Law In Tennessee. I believe that will be up to a judge to determine. But in my opinion, that would certainly rise to the Tennessee Legal Standard of simple Assault.
 
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