Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[chargervol]

Yes, let the ones that know the details make the decision. Twitter exection is getting old.

I agree. Don't want a kid's life destroyed by PC spotlight. And while the history makes it awkward, I hope CJP would make sure whatever line he put forth was actually crossed before making the decision. I personally think he would.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

Has anyone heard anything on Fields? I've hardly noticed anyone mentioning him throughout spring and fall camps.

 

[butchna]

It’s sad I know that stands for Bachelor in Paradise. My wife has stripped me of my manhood.

As opposed to Newt’s wife...who just stripped.

 

[LA Vol]

Technically it is on record but when read Miranda rights he told the truth. Which everyone knows once read Miranda “You must understand your rights before we ask you any questions, you have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law, you the right to talk to a lawyer if you can not afford a lawyer one will be appointed to you, you can decide at any point not to answer any questions, do you understand these rights as I have read them to you?”

It's in the incident report and goes to credibility. It's not helpful.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

It's in the incident report and goes to credibility. It's not helpful.

Oh I understand that point. However, he could of refused to tell the truth and he did not. So it almost evens out.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Either way I believe you have to give the kid a second chance.

He either turns his stuff around or he doesn’t. He should be provided the help he needs and go from there.

If he doesn’t turn his life around he is gone plain and simple.

 

[chargervol]

If he needed to be on zero tolerance for any sort of domestic abuse/assault or threats of bodily harm, IDT we'd have taken him in the first place. If he were on zero tolerance because he'd had some non-violent behavioral issues, like many HS kids do, that usually means one violation and you're out. No mulligans.

I think Pruitt believed him enough to take him but made it clear, he better not be wrong.

We all do it, employees or our children etc., we don't know who's telling the truth so you give benefit of the doubt. But with the understanding you're now watching and if they're caught later...

But you make sure they actually did THAT thing.
I'm not talking any trouble. Drugs have the 3 strike rule. If you have 2 strikes, you don't get kicked off for curfew. Some things are just specific to that subject.


Gucci, you'll know exactly what I'm saying in a few years lol.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

In other news, this story is fascinating to read. 110 bones broken and 11 hours of surgery. Whew!

Woman falls off balcony while practicing 'extreme' yoga, posing for pictures: report

Pro tip

Don’t do stupid stuff with no upside and 110 fracture downside

 

[SmokinBob]

There are plenty of great places but I am probably not the best person to ask. I rarely ever go downtown in the evenings anymore. Lots of good eateries downtown, but a lot of the ones I eat at for lunch are uptown on the hill away from Broadway/2nd Ave. and the regular hotspots, and I don't even know if the places I eat at even are open in the evenings since they cater mainly to the day workers. But should be plenty of people on here that can point places out to you.

Is there a good place to watch our game around Vanderbilt?

 

[chargervol]

Pro tip

Don’t do stupid stuff with no upside and 110 fracture downside

You're back to being so far behind..oh no.
There's so much to discuss and there you are, way back there. Quick, scroll man scroll.

 

[ob79]

On average, I work about 10-12 domestics every 2 weeks. This is going to sound crazy to some of you, but domestics and violent crimes are my favorite type of call to work, it's my niche. I love having to discern through the b.s. that people are telling me and get down to corroborating statements and evidence. It can be an extremely difficult task because, many times, both parties share the blame, especially when intoxicating substances are in play, and it can be difficult trying to discern who the "primary aggressor" is...

What concerns me most about this situation are the people who say he did nothing wrong.

How? In what way is any part of this ok?

We have a history of threatening statements towards women, orders of protection, etc. Now we have an alleged threat to shoot an entire school.

You can sit there and tell me it's all b.s. but not a one of you would trust this young man to be alone with a female loved one.

If there's one thing I've gleaned from victims, this is simply the first time the young lady called, not the first time it happened.

And yeah, he'll probably have the charges dropped because you can't have a crime if the victim doesn't show up for court or, as in what happens in 90-95% of most domestic cases, she'll show up to court, back in love and singing his praises...it doesn't mean he did nothing wrong.

 

[ob79]

Holy crap...I just saw Solomon got cleared (night shift)!!!

WGWTFA!!!

 

[BruinVol]

On average, I work about 10-12 domestics every 2 weeks. This is going to sound crazy to some of you, but domestics and violent crimes are my favorite type of call to work, it's my niche. I love having to discern through the b.s. that people are telling me and get down to corroborating statements and evidence. It can be an extremely difficult task because, many times, both parties share the blame, especially when intoxicating substances are in play, and it can be difficult trying to discern who the "primary aggressor" is...

What concerns me most about this situation are the people who say he did nothing wrong.

How? In what way is any part of this ok?

We have a history of threatening statements towards women, orders of protection, etc. Now we have an alleged threat to shoot an entire school.

You can sit there and tell me it's all b.s. but not a one of you would trust this young man to be alone with a female loved one.

If there's one thing I've gleaned from victims, this is simply the first time the young lady called, not the first time it happened.

And yeah, he'll probably have the charges dropped because you can't have a crime if the victim doesn't show up for court or, as in what happens in 90-95% of most domestic cases, she'll show up to court, back in love and singing his praises...it doesn't mean he did nothing wrong.

Potd

 

[Type Orange+]

Why am I not seeing Deer Parks post? What is it?

Doubt he’ll be allowed to return. He was already on a short leash with the issues that prevented him from enrolling at USC. He was on zero tolerance based on what I’ve been told over and over. Now it’s just waiting for the process to play out. But I think he’s at a JuCo by the end of the month.

 

[chargervol]

On average, I work about 10-12 domestics every 2 weeks. This is going to sound crazy to some of you, but domestics and violent crimes are my favorite type of call to work, it's my niche. I love having to discern through the b.s. that people are telling me and get down to corroborating statements and evidence. It can be an extremely difficult task because, many times, both parties share the blame, especially when intoxicating substances are in play, and it can be difficult trying to discern who the "primary aggressor" is...

What concerns me most about this situation are the people who say he did nothing wrong.

How? In what way is any part of this ok?

We have a history of threatening statements towards women, orders of protection, etc. Now we have an alleged threat to shoot an entire school.

You can sit there and tell me it's all b.s. but not a one of you would trust this young man to be alone with a female loved one.

If there's one thing I've gleaned from victims, this is simply the first time the young lady called, not the first time it happened.

And yeah, he'll probably have the charges dropped because you can't have a crime if the victim doesn't show up for court or, as in what happens in 90-95% of most domestic cases, she'll show up to court, back in love and singing his praises...it doesn't mean he did nothing wrong.

A legitimate concern. You have a team full of players but he's the only one in this situation.
Not any of the guys with no restraining orders from women but the one guy ( I pray only one)with a past.

 

[ob79]

The media backlash and negative publicity brings unwanted attention to the program in the post Title IX-lawsuit era. He changed his story about the gate and that's on record. His GF's statement included a few things that would have been better left unsaid. While it won't really impact his court case, it could hurt him with UT, especially with so many people weighing in. But again, if they wanted to cut him loose, they could have done that for violation of team rules.

LA, I respect the hell out of you and usually stop and read what you post but...

..better for who? Her or him? I

 

[BigOrange15]

On average, I work about 10-12 domestics every 2 weeks. This is going to sound crazy to some of you, but domestics and violent crimes are my favorite type of call to work, it's my niche. I love having to discern through the b.s. that people are telling me and get down to corroborating statements and evidence. It can be an extremely difficult task because, many times, both parties share the blame, especially when intoxicating substances are in play, and it can be difficult trying to discern who the "primary aggressor" is...

What concerns me most about this situation are the people who say he did nothing wrong.

How? In what way is any part of this ok?

We have a history of threatening statements towards women, orders of protection, etc. Now we have an alleged threat to shoot an entire school.

You can sit there and tell me it's all b.s. but not a one of you would trust this young man to be alone with a female loved one.

If there's one thing I've gleaned from victims, this is simply the first time the young lady called, not the first time it happened.

And yeah, he'll probably have the charges dropped because you can't have a crime if the victim doesn't show up for court or, as in what happens in 90-95% of most domestic cases, she'll show up to court, back in love and singing his praises...it doesn't mean he did nothing wrong.

Quality stuff here.

 

[chargervol]

Just wanted to add in BT's defense though. I still applaud going for the gate and not the girl. He can be helped imo and we have the resources.

 

[SweetasSoda]

On average, I work about 10-12 domestics every 2 weeks. This is going to sound crazy to some of you, but domestics and violent crimes are my favorite type of call to work, it's my niche. I love having to discern through the b.s. that people are telling me and get down to corroborating statements and evidence. It can be an extremely difficult task because, many times, both parties share the blame, especially when intoxicating substances are in play, and it can be difficult trying to discern who the "primary aggressor" is...

What concerns me most about this situation are the people who say he did nothing wrong.

How? In what way is any part of this ok?

We have a history of threatening statements towards women, orders of protection, etc. Now we have an alleged threat to shoot an entire school.

You can sit there and tell me it's all b.s. but not a one of you would trust this young man to be alone with a female loved one.

If there's one thing I've gleaned from victims, this is simply the first time the young lady called, not the first time it happened.

And yeah, he'll probably have the charges dropped because you can't have a crime if the victim doesn't show up for court or, as in what happens in 90-95% of most domestic cases, she'll show up to court, back in love and singing his praises...it doesn't mean he did nothing wrong.

I don't think anyone has said he didn't do anything wrong. What has been said is it is being reported that he physically assaulted her which is not true. Basically, we do not know who said what when. All we know is they were screaming at each other, he tore the gate apart, and the police were called. Just because she backs his story doesn't mean she is lying. From what I understood she isn't the one that called. The shoot the school up may or may not have happened, and if it did did he really mean that. The order of protection went both ways. What concerns me most about the situation is people are making judgments when they do not know the facts. We need someone like you that can discern what happened and decide appropriate punishment. Not the press sending out Tweets to fan flames. If they find that he did actually hit her or really is capable of shooting up the school take appreciate measures. If he just has an anger problem where he yells and screams get him help. But he should not be kicked off the team because of pressure from the press.

 

[LA Vol]

I think Pruitt believed him enough to take him but made it clear, he better not be wrong.

We all do it, employees or our children etc., we don't know who's telling the truth so you give benefit of the doubt. But with the understanding you're now watching and if they're caught later...

But you make sure they actually did THAT thing.
I'm not talking any trouble. Drugs have the 3 strike rule. If you have 2 strikes, you don't get kicked off for curfew. Some things are just specific to that subject.

Gucci, you'll know exactly what I'm saying in a few years lol.

I was just addressing the zero tolerance claim made by someone else. I'm all for getting the facts and getting teenagers the help they need to become productive adults. Everything said in that dorm on Saturday night needs to be investigated and verified.

But again, the issue isn't going to be the court case; it's going to be UT.

 

[chargervol]

I was just addressing the zero tolerance claim made by someone else. I'm all for getting the facts and getting teenagers the help they need to become productive adults. Everything said in that dorm on Saturday night needs to be investigated and verified.

But again, the issue isn't going to be the court case; it's going to be UT.

DeerPark but I had added that "some kind of" one was probably there. Meaning what I've been describing to you. I'm sure both Pruitt and BT knew that was going to be watched. No way they didn't.

 

[ob79]

I don't think anyone has said he didn't do anything wrong. What has been said is it is being reported that he physically assaulted her which is not true. Basically, we do not know who said what when. All we know is they were screaming at each other, he tore the gate apart, and the police were called. Just because she backs his story doesn't mean she is lying. From what I understood she isn't the one that called. The shoot the school up may or may not have happened, and if it did did he really mean that. The order of protection went both ways. What concerns me most about the situation is people are making judgments when they do not know the facts. We need someone like you that can discern what happened abd decide appropriate punishment. Not the press sending out Tweets to fan flames. If they find that he did actually hit her or really is capable of shooting up the school take appreciate measures. If he just has an anger problem where he yells and screams get him help. But he should not be kicked off the team because of pressure from the press.

I haven't read anywhere, other than message board fodder, where someone has claimed he assaulted her...maybe I missed it.

And, to be clear, I'm not completely admonishing BT nor am I advocating for him to be expelled, but I am concerned with the pattern of behavior involving women, which is well established, apparently. If this plays out well for him in court then I'm all for whatever punishment JP doles out to him.

For what I think might be a first, I 1,000% agreed with what Saban said the other day about giving chances to 19 year old kids. Just because they're 18 and considered an adult doesn't mean they think or act like one...I know I didn't LOL

 

[LA Vol]

LA, I respect the hell out of you and usually stop and read what you post but...

..better for who? Her or him? I

Better for both of them, I think, to not give emotional statements in the heat of the moment. Whatever issues he may have, he needs help and UT can provide that. But if UT feels forced to dismiss him, he won't get the counseling and anger management he needs. He won't have the supervision and guidance the athletics department can provide, the support system of his coaches and teammates or the workouts to help with aggression. Words spoken in anger can have far-reaching repercussions.

 

[SweetasSoda]

I haven't read anywhere, other than message board fodder, where someone has claimed he assaulted her...maybe I missed it.

And, to be clear, I'm not completely admonishing BT nor am I advocating for him to be expelled, but I am concerned with the pattern of behavior involving women, which is well established, apparently. If this plays out well for him in court then I'm all for whatever punishment JP doles out to him.

For what I think might be a first, I 1,000% agreed with what Saban said the other day about giving chances to 19 year old kids. Just because they're 18 and considered an adult doesn't mean they think or act like one...I know I didn't LOL

I get that. I certainly don't want someone that abuses women to go unpunished! I am just not sure how well established this is. It's obvious we're coming at it from two different experiences. You have dealt with the abused. I have dealt with my son being falsely accused. All I am saying is let the ones doing the investigating handle it. The press saying Pruitt has some explaining to do and insinuating he has to dismiss him right now is ridiculous because their reporting as though he has a history of beating women when all we know is he may have threatened 2 women on 2 occasions. And, yes, I am aware that that is usually the first step. But maybe he can be helped.

 

[chargervol]

I don't think anyone has said he didn't do anything wrong. What has been said is it is being reported that he physically assaulted her which is not true. Basically, we do not know who said what when. All we know is they were screaming at each other, he tore the gate apart, and the police were called. Just because she backs his story doesn't mean she is lying. From what I understood she isn't the one that called. The shoot the school up may or may not have happened, and if it did did he really mean that. The order of protection went both ways. What concerns me most about the situation is people are making judgments when they do not know the facts. We need someone like you that can discern what happened and decide appropriate punishment. Not the press sending out Tweets to fan flames. If they find that he did actually hit her or really is capable of shooting up the school take appreciate measures. If he just has an anger problem where he yells and screams get him help. But he should not be kicked off the team because of pressure from the press.

Unfortunately, there will be a FEW that believe completely innocent, already been done in the FF.

Don't think it's intentional but believe star athlete plays a part. When AJ and MW were unfairly put on trial, people were outraged by the injustice. But a few were way more outraged at AJ's suffered injustice than Michael's, if you know what I mean.

Some couldn't even name Williams. It was "this is an outrage, free AJ" someone says there's 2 unfairly on trial and
"Oh yeah, sure. Go ahead free that other guy too" haha. I sometimes wonder if it was only MW, how much VN support he would have received. Or just "bye, next man up".