Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Kingston Vol said:
Yeah, probably. It might depend on how soon Georgia has a rebuilding year. If it’s this year or next, Florida is theoretically in the best position to take advantage of it. After that, I’d say there’s a pretty even chance between UT and UF.

But hell, maybe Georgia doesn’t take a step down and we’re all competing for second.
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So Mehlen can win the division, but its highly unlikely that Pruitt ever does? Interesting.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
Kirk Herbstriet might be a bit of an OSU homer, but I really respect the relationship he has with Corso. He does his best to keep Corso on track and get him back on subject when he starts to stray. They've got to be really good personal friends at this point, and yeah a professional would do the same even if they weren't friends. But you can see how much KH cares about Corso.
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I like Herbie. Didn't like how he came after us for Schiano, but other than that he's a standup guy and seems unbiased to me. Unlike Pollack and the former gator receiver whatever his name is on SEC network
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
We all want Miami to win, but call your shot.

Florida 31
Miami 17
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I know nothing about Miami. I don't expect Fl to finish a top 10 team. But Mehlen is a decent coach. This is Diaz's first season as a head coach and they weren't very good last year. Not a great recipe for a first game against the gators imo unfortunately.

That said... go canes!
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
So Mehlen can win the division, but its highly unlikely that Pruitt ever does? Interesting.
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Yeah, I’ve always felt Mullen is a better coach and was a better hire. Said it at the time and nothing has made me move from that line of thinking. Mullen won twice as many games as Pruitt last year.

Doesn’t mean I’m not rooting for Florida to burn to the ground and for us to beat them by 50 in September.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I like Herbie. Didn't like how he came after us for Schiano, but other than that he's a standup guy and seems unbiased to me. Unlike Pollack and the former gator receiver whatever his name is on SEC network
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What’s weird about the Schiano stuff is that on gameday this morning he said he’s optimistic about Ohio State because they’ve got a new defensive coordinator. It’s like he’s playing both sides.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I like Herbie. Didn't like how he came after us for Schiano, but other than that he's a standup guy and seems unbiased to me. Unlike Pollack and the former gator receiver whatever his name is on SEC network
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Pollack and Doeren are definitely awful, Doeren is the worse of the two.

But I still think Desmond Howard takes the homer cake. Delusional.
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Kingston Vol said:
Yeah, I’ve always felt Mullen is a better coach and was a better hire. Said it at the time and nothing has made me move from that line of thinking. Mullen won twice as many games as Pruitt last year.

Doesn’t mean I’m not rooting for Florida to burn to the ground and for us to beat them by 50 in September.
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So you're reasoning for thinking that Pruitt won't win the division ever is that he isn't a great coach? I just wanted to know why you felt that way.

But, you know, it was Pruitt's first year last year with a crappy roster and a tough schedule. Doesn't he get a little slack for his record last year? Heck, he still improved us one game than we won before and had 2 wins over 2 ranked opponents. coaches usually improve from their very first season, right?
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Yeah, I’ve always felt Mullen is a better coach and was a better hire. Said it at the time and nothing has made me move from that line of thinking. Mullen won twice as many games as Pruitt last year.

Doesn’t mean I’m not rooting for Florida to burn to the ground and for us to beat them by 50 in September.
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Only time will tell, but I am so very completely glad we did not hire him. Even if he is successful at the easy job at FL, he would not have been here. Even if Pruitt is not successful here, he is exactly what we need to fix what is wrong here from the bottom to the top of the program to put is in a position to get a coach that is not at all like Butch or Mullen. Love how Pruitt is taking care of these players that have been through it after signing up to play for the orange and white.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I like Herbie. Didn't like how he came after us for Schiano, but other than that he's a standup guy and seems unbiased to me. Unlike Pollack and the former gator receiver whatever his name is on SEC network
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I wish we had a homer on SEC Network or ESPN. They could hire Brent Hubbs and he would probably take a dump on us every time they brought up UT.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
What’s weird about the Schiano stuff is that on gameday this morning he said he’s optimistic about Ohio State because they’ve got a new defensive coordinator. It’s like he’s playing both sides.
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In other words, GS was a good enough coach for TN, but not a good enough DC for OSU.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
So you're reasoning for thinking that Pruitt won't win the division ever is that he isn't a great coach? I just wanted to know why you felt that way.

But, you know, it was Pruitt's first year last year with a crappy roster and a tough schedule. Doesn't he get a little slack for his record last year? Heck, he still improved us one game than we won before and had 2 wins over 2 ranked opponents. coaches usually improve from their very first season, right?
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Pruitt’s first year was a mixed bag to me. There were some improvements for sure, but he lost that team to end the year and they quit on him. There’s no evidence to say that’ll happen again - but there’s no evidence to say it won’t either. We won’t know until we see it either way. Mullen has had teams play hard for him 10 years in a row. He’s proven himself to be a good coach. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

I just remember this time last year both Tennessee and Florida were coming off 4 win seasons and were breaking in new head coaches. The narrative here was the rosters were very close and that we should be able to beat them in Neyland. Well, that didn’t happen. They skull-****ed ya on the way to 10 wins. We crawled to the finish line with 5 wins.

After those results, the narrative flipped and it became “obvious” that florida always had the superior talent. Maybe they did. But that roster isn’t twice as good as ours. Mullen got the results, Pruitt didn’t.

Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a guarantee Mullen will outperform Pruitt for the next 5-10 years. But the evidence leans in that direction until we do something to flip the script. Hopefully that begins this year.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
It’s that time of year that every weakness we saw in the offseason is shown as a strength for them
Therefore, look for the Franks heisman train to get rolling, DB’s to lock down everyone, OL to dominate and depth everywhere
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That usually doesn't happen until they play us. What year was is it that they had no OL to speak of? I remember they were down to playing walk-ons and it didn't matter.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Pruitt’s first year was a mixed bag to me. There were some improvements for sure, but he lost that team to end the year and they quit on him. There’s no evidence to say that’ll happen again - but there’s no evidence to say it won’t either. We won’t know until we see it either way. Mullen has had teams play hard for him 10 years in a row. He’s proven himself to be a good coach. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

I just remember this time last year both Tennessee and Florida were coming off 4 win seasons and were breaking in new head coaches. The narrative here was the rosters were very close and that we should be able to beat them in Neyland. Well, that didn’t happen. They skull-****ed ya on the way to 10 wins. We crawled to the finish line with 5 wins.

After those results, the narrative flipped and it became “obvious” that florida always had the superior talent. Maybe they did. But that roster isn’t twice as good as ours. Mullen got the results, Pruitt didn’t.

Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a guarantee Mullen will outperform Pruitt for the next 5-10 years. But the evidence leans in that direction until we do something to flip the script. Hopefully that begins this year.
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Well again, Mullen has been coaching 10 years. Pruitt one. And he made mistakes, one of which was his OC hire which he has now corrected. My point is we can’t say anything definitive about Pruitt good or bad after year 1.

But yes, the fans on here, including myself, were wrong about Fl’s talent and ours. Fl had 6 draft picks and we had 0. They were clearly more talented than us. Even still, we blew that game by all the turnovers. We play clean that game isn’t the blow out it became.
 
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Just looking at the calculator again..

With "locks" of Hardy, Baron, Arik, and Whitehead, this puts us at:
19 commits
253.12 points
Good for 9th nationally based on current commitments
5*- 1
4*- 9
3*- 8 + the LS

PosGrp | 5* | 4* | 3*
QB | 0 | 1 | 0
RB | 0 | 1 | 0
WR/TE | 1 | 0 | 1
OL | 0 | 1 | 2
DL | 0 | 4 | 0--you could probably move Baron to LB if you want to be technical
LB | 0 | 1 | 0
Sec | 0 | 2 | 2
ATH | 0 | 0 | 2-- Calloway and Williamson will likely wind up at WR

Still light on LB, and we'll want one more RB and WR. Then we can take a couple/few swings at the best available.

So we keep after Rakim, Smalls, Omari, Eason, Beckwith, and Oxendine.
Here's where opinions are like a**holes and everyone's got a different combo. None of us know what could happen this fall with W/L records, HC firings, and position coach/coordinator churn.

I'll say we land Smalls, Beckwith, Thomas, and Oxendine. And Noah Sewell so buff Jesus @AaronUT won't kick my ass through the computer screen.

This puts us at 24 commits
283.94 points
Good for 4th nationally based on current rankings (probably get overtaken by UGA, Texas, and maybe Auburn and ND if they don't fall apart)
Would definitely be top-10
5*- 3
4*- 10
3*- 10 + the LS

PosGrp | 5* | 4* | 3*
QB | 0 | 1 | 0
RB | 0 | 1 | 0
WR/TE | 1 | 0 | 1
OL | 0 | 1 | 2
DL | 0 | 5 | 1-- you could probably move Baron to LB if you want to be technical
LB | 2 | 1 | 0
Sec | 0 | 2 | 2
ATH | 0 | 0 | 3

And we could still find a fine RB to add depth and potentially boost us into the top-10. Funny enough, both 2019 and 2020 would have the same star make-up: 2 elite players, even split between blue-chips and 3*s.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Well again, Mullen has been coaching 10 years. Pruitt one. And he made mistakes, one of which was his OC hire which he has now corrected. My point is we can’t say anything definitive about Pruitt good or bad after year 1.

But yes, the fans on here, including myself, were wrong about Fl’s talent and ours. Fl had 6 draft picks and we had 0. They were clearly more talented than us. Even still, we blew that game by all the turnovers. We play clean that game isn’t the blow out it became.
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All that is valid. I’m optimistic about Pruitt. I think the staff is great and their recruiting evaluation has been very good.

But I guess I don’t see this as a zero sum situation. I can feel good about Pruitt and still think it’s more *likely* Mullen might have more success at Florida. I can think with my head and feel with my heart. They don’t have to conflict.
 
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