'20 GA ATH Arik Gilbert (LSU commit)

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secking said:
He didn’t block at all last night. Think he will be fine once on campus but recruiting has done him no favors.
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By done him no favors are you saying his ego might be inflated as a result of his recruitment? And I agree with what you said above. All of those coaches are going to expect blocking and won't allow any lip.

Also, it's not like he's expected to block line man at reciever. At his size this shouldn't be a problem, unless he doesn't like contact. Does he shy away from it while running the ball? I'll admit I haven't watched a lot of his tape.
 
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scienceteaching_vol said:
By done him no favors are you saying his ego might be inflated as a result of his recruitment? And I agree with what you said above. All of those coaches are going to expect blocking and won't allow any lip.

Also, it's not like he's expected to block line man at reciever. At his size this shouldn't be a problem, unless he doesn't like contact. Does he shy away from it while running the ball? I'll admit I haven't watched a lot of his tape.
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Yeah, it can happen even with the most humble kids, they haven’t ever had this much attention, reading their own clippings kind of thing, I’d say that’s probably true with most recruited kids, just some more than others...
 
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onevol74 said:
If he can’t block then put him on kick returns and punt returns. Tell him when he can learn how to block we might let him play WR. Football is a team sport.
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Regardless he's being recruited as an athlete they will play him one or the other.
 
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secking said:
Yeah, it can happen even with the most humble kids, they haven’t ever had this much attention, reading their own clippings kind of thing, I’d say that’s probably true with most recruited kids, just some more than others...
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do you see what you've done here?

you've now turned him in to a prima donna that doesn't want to be a team player.

nice work.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, all this. and i doubt very seriously any of those coaches are like "sure arik, whatever you say" wink, wink.

lol.

as for the bold part...while i agree, i don't think i've ever gotten the impression about pruitt, or Saban for sure, that there's a lot of salesmanship going on. the one thing you always here is how honest those guys are w/prospects. Kirby...i dunno about. we know where he comes from, so i'm inclined to think not. but i'm not sure totally seeing how a few of his higher rated guys have transferred out the past year....especially Fields. feels like there may have been some over promising there, if nothing else.

bottomline, while i think there's always a reality check going from being recruited for 2 + years to hitting the field in a spring camp and just being one of 85, i don't think he's being misled from the standpoint of what he will be asked to do once he's whereever he goes.
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I'm not saying anybody is lying to him, least of all Pruitt. I've done some recruiting (not athletes, but in a competitive field/setting), and it's sales through and through. Different guys have different styles and there are a lot of different ways to get to the same end, but at the end of the day, you've got sell the person on why your position is better than A, B, C and D. I don't think any of the Saban disciples, Kirby included would lead a kid up the garden path about blocking, it's too central to their philosophy.

Cole Cubelic had a tweet a while back (about three months ago I posted it in the FF), which showed the number of kids that had gone in and out of the transfer portal since it's inception within the conference (the net loss/gain) and Tennessee, Bama and Georgia were all in the lower end of the conference teams for turnover. Part of that is success, but part of it is evidence of relatively straight shooting I think, particularly in the case of Tennessee, who has had less success. I don't really buy the Kirby is a used cars salesman narrative, Justin Fields left UGA because he couldn't beat out Fromm, just like the other 5 star did the year before. That's happening all over the country with QB's.

What I do think is that Kirby is a ruthless recruiter, I totally think he engineers public relations victories with recruits like the Quay Walker thing. He has been screwing Dan Mullen straight in the rear all off season after Dan got mouthy, having kids take visits to Florida for the weekend and commit to UGA on Sunday or Monday night. It's happened like 5 times or so to Florida this off-season, it's deliberate. It also happened to us on Bill Norton last year too. I think he's a punk for doing stuff like that and other things, but I don't underestimate him like a lot of people continue to. UGA long term is a bigger problem than Bama, Saban's got 5 years at most, and he's not in our division. I think Pruitt's got sufficient grit to be successful against a guy like that, but it's going to take some time.

We switched our game with UGA to the end of the season, and while it was good for us to break up our late September-October gauntlet, UGA got something out of it too or they wouldn't have agreed to it. I think Kirby respects Pruitt as a competitor and thinks CJP is his long term competition in the East and he wanted to move that game later in the year because their depth advantage over us will last longer than their front line player advantage will, and depth is more important late in the year.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I'm not saying anybody is lying to him, least of all Pruitt. I've done some recruiting (not athletes, but in a competitive field/setting), and it's sales through and through. Different guys have different styles and there are a lot of different ways to get to the same end, but at the end of the day, you've got sell the person on why your position is better than A, B, C and D. I don't think any of the Saban disciples, Kirby included would lead a kid up the garden path about blocking, it's too central to their philosophy.

Cole Cubelic had a tweet a while back (about three months ago I posted it in the FF), which showed the number of kids that had gone in and out of the transfer portal since it's inception within the conference (the net loss/gain) and Tennessee, Bama and Georgia were all in the lower end of the conference teams for turnover. Part of that is success, but part of it is evidence of relatively straight shooting I think, particularly in the case of Tennessee, who has had less success. I don't really buy the Kirby is a used cars salesman narrative, Justin Fields left UGA because he couldn't beat out Fromm, just like the other 5 star did the year before. That's happening all over the country with QB's.

What I do think is that Kirby is a ruthless recruiter, I totally think he engineers public relations victories with recruits like the Quay Walker thing. He has screwing Dan Mullen straight in the rear all off season after Dan got mouthy, having kids take visits to Florida for the weekend and commit to UGA on Sunday or Monday night. It's happened like 5 times or so to Florida this off-season, it's deliberate. It also happened to us on Bill Norton last year too. I think he's a punk, but I don't underestimate him like a lot of people continue to. UGA long term is a bigger problem than Bama, Saban's got 5 years at most, and he's not in our division. I think Pruitt's got sufficient grit to be successful against a guy like that, but it's going to take some time.

We switched our game with UGA to the end of the season, and while it was good for us to break up our late September-October gauntlet, UGA got something out of it too or they wouldn't have agreed to it. I think Kirby respects Pruitt as a competitor and thinks CJP is his long term competition in the East and he wanted to move that game later in the year because their depth advantage over us will last longer than their front line player advantage will, and depth is more important late in the year.
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all good stuff.

i just think if you're having to do a lot of derecruitment, then the pitch was FOS to begin with. that'll catch up with you.

we should know.

oh and i totally believe the same on the whole GA commits visiting UF deal. just glad it was UF and not us. lol.

i think the only thing CJP needs is a little time to get some of the results he needs to give his pitch substance. in the end, no matter what you're selling, once it's bought, the customer has to like it for you to be able to keep selling it.
 
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NotoriousRPP said:
FWIW, we did a food drop to a UGA booster group last weekend, and they were pretty adamant that Gilbert wasn’t going there. Of course this was right after BJs announcement and they were doing the whole “we don’t want any of the Marietta kids anyways” song and dance that fans do.
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Question, I don’t think UGA pursued Bailey very heavily after his sophomore year (which is crazy to me) was there ever any questions that Chaney had to answer to the HB family about that? He’s a fantastic prospect that I think UGA should have pursued more. Just curious if anyone has info
 
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jakez4ut said:
all good stuff.

i just think if you're having to do a lot of derecruitment, then the pitch was FOS to begin with. that'll catch up with you.

we should know.

oh and i totally believe the same on the whole GA commits visiting UF deal. just glad it was UF and not us. lol.

i think the only thing CJP needs is a little time to get some of the results he needs to give his pitch substance. in the end, no matter what you're selling, once it's bought, the customer has to like it for you to be able to keep selling it.
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These high school kids, especially these 5 star top 100 types, really most recruits, have generally always been the best player on whatever field they step on. Sometimes you get kids that are well grounded and humble but I think that's getting more and more rare, most of them think they are going to be the LeBron James of whatever they are doing. FBS football in the SEC accordingly is a major, major shock to a lot of their systems, for the first time they line up and get owned by people. At that point it hits home to some of them for the first time, no matter how much they were told, that they are going to have to work their butts off.

Regardless of where Arik Gilbert ends up, and I honestly think we've got a really great shot, particularly if we can look better on the field this year, he's going to hit that, that's what I mean by de-recruitment. These kids hear "we have open competition", "you will get a chance to compete for a starting job" and all they hear is "I will win" because they always have, then it's a process of them actually adjusting to and believing what they may have been told on the front end. I don't think anybody, least of all the Sabanites are going out there and telling kids it's not going to be hard on them, quite the opposite, getting teenagers to believe it, that's the rub, many don't until reality slaps them right in the face. Some deal well with that adversity, some don't.
 
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Otis1105 said:
Question, I don’t think UGA pursued Bailey very heavily after his sophomore year (which is crazy to me) was there ever any questions that Chaney had to answer to the HB family about that? He’s a fantastic prospect that I think UGA should have pursued more. Just curious if anyone has info
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Not that I’m aware of. And Bailey has never said anything other than how excited he is to play for UT and Coach Chaney. I think the UGA thing had more to do with having Eason, Fromm and Fields in consecutive years and not prioritizing Bailey. And then they had to play the “we had better options” card to save face.
 
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jakez4ut said:
do you see what you've done here?

you've now turned him in to a prima donna that doesn't want to be a team player.

nice work.
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I’m just wondering where his head is at. He came on the recruiting scene as a DE, then he wanted OLB, then he wanted offense too, then offense only and wanted to be a TE, now he wants to be a WR. He did play both ways last year, did he play any defense last night?
 
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secking said:
I’m just wondering where his head is at. He came on the recruiting scene as a DE, then he wanted OLB, then he wanted offense too, then offense only and wanted to be a TE, now he wants to be a WR. He did play both ways last year, did he play any defense last night?
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Dunno.

To me... It sounds like someone finding ways to be ok with the prospects of possibly not landing him.

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mrorange211 said:
Corey Davis for the Titans is severely underrated player imo.
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