America Founded in 1619

[FLVOL_79]

Well you know, the traffic lanes use white paint and all.

Asphalts black. White people drive their pristine vehicles on the black asphalt like the White people made America great on the backs of black people.

 

[LouderVol]

Sure, but regardless of why it was laissez faire, the system of governance (or lack thereof) was a big part of what made it appealing.

True. I guess I am arguing the chicken vs your egg in this argument.

I think the government and the people who came here responded to the same thing. So to me it doesnt paint the whole picture to say people came here for the government. They came here for the "thing" that made the government the way they liked it.

Chicken/egg tomato/tomato.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Where were most slaves during the Atlantic slave trade transported to?

They are the individuals you were refering to in the original post I responded to.

We meaning the individuals you were referring to in your original post I responded to, you, and myself.

Your insistence on comparison is only needed to minimize slavery and its impact here.

 

[FLVOL_79]

This article is trying to church up history and make a group of peoples seem like it something to be proud of instead of what it actually was. Slaves, in all societies, were just a tool. They never made anything great unless you believe the janitor at your school was responsible for your good grades or similiar nonsense. Did slaves help agriculture in America? Sure. So did indentured servants. Did they help win the wars to create America? No. After the civil war they helped build the rail roads as freemen...with the Irish...the slavics..and the Chinese.. America was made great by people willing to take massive risks and do the hard things that most people today can't even fathom, not by people who had no written languages and sold their relatives to other people for seashells. Yes..seashells...

America was made great by massive European immigration after the Civil War which led to our industrial and technological revolutions. So when people say "immigration made America Great" as a way to somehow defend illegal immigration its a very dishonest and myopic view of history and reality.

Someone mentioned learning about a Peanut farmer. Pro tip: Carver didn't invent peanut butter contrary to the myth purported in schools when trying to celebrate black history.

This doesn't mean black folks havent contributed anything of note to this country, they have, just not as much as White folks and we can chalk that up to a lesser population and coming from a part of the world that still has tribes and no written forms of communication.

How many times has anyone ever heard "The first White Man to do __________"? Think about that one.

The slave trade was horrible, its a stain on the history of our country, and should never have happened. Ever.

 

[AM64]

Asphalts black. White people drive their pristine vehicles on the black asphalt like the White people made America great on the backs of black people.

That's gonna be hard to fix. We could go all concrete, but then we'd have to do something about the black expansion joints. Several SEC states would probably object to orange and white on their roadways. And then there's the tire problem - black tires rubbing off on the concrete - and worse, running on the backs of black tires.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Your insistence on comparison is only needed to minimize slavery and its impact here.

The Atlantic slave trade was minimal to the states. Caribbean and South America is where most went, around 90%...and yet those countries are still huge sh!tholes...weird.

 

[FLVOL_79]

That's gonna be hard to fix. We could go all concrete, but then we'd have to do something about the black expansion joints. Several SEC states would probably object to orange and white on their roadways. And then there's the tire problem - black tires rubbing off on the concrete - and worse, running on the backs of black tires.

Concrete = ashy black folks. Still racist.

 

[LouderVol]

Your insistence on comparison is only needed to minimize slavery and its impact here.

One could argue your insistence to avoid comparison is only to frame slavery in the US in the worst light possible.

I dont think the two should be mutually exclusive.

 

[DynaLo]

The discussion on slavery has me wondering again about the proposed reparations issue. Can anyone explain how this is anything other than vote pandering?

Is this covering all slavery or only black slaves?
Are Articles of Indenture considered a form of slavery.
If no, what about the white children already here that lost both parents and were forced by relatives, through our court systems, into forced indenture? Is that slavery?
Who is paying for this? Just whites?
Are immigrants who arrived after slavery was abolished exempt from paying?
What about the black slave owners? Are they paying?
How exactly would one prove their ancestors were slaves in order to qualify?
Slave schedules, from census records during that time period, are unable to actually prove someone was a slave.
Wills from slave owners of that time period normally just list a first name, nick name or even just daughter/son of a slave so they're of little assistance.
Manumission opens a whole new can of worms due to the various laws surrounding it.

 

[joevol33]

The version of history I was taught is that whites made America exceptional and then we sprinkled in a peanut farmer and a baseball player. Now we're upset because somebody is giving too much credit to the non-whites.

Did you read the article or the article about the article? I'm not sure I disagree with this excerpt:

[out of slavery] "grew nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional."

Agriculture was the foundation for everything. It's hard to say that slavery doesn't have at least an indirect impact on everything that America is, the good and the bad.

I honestly can't figure out for the life of me why you white people who are so bent on keeping slavery and racism alive, don't have a problem with slavery today. Not just whites for that matter. Slavery is horrible, but not just a long time ago in America. It still happens right now in Africa. People are kidnapped, bought, sold, and used as slaves. And before "this is about America", if that's what the excuse is, then I never expect to see any of you ever have an issue with anything in any other country again. Slavery was horrible in America when it happened by white people, but it's just as bad today when blacks are doing it to their own over there. For some reason though, not one single liberal ever mentions it.

 

[DynaLo]

Did they help win the wars to create America? No.

This is actually incorrect.

In some cases, a master who was drafted into the army would send a slave instead, with a promise of freedom if he survived the war.
The new government of Virginia repealed the laws concerning manumission in 1782 and declared freedom for slaves who had fought for the colonies during the American Revolutionary War.

African slaves were freed in the North American colonies as early as the 17th century and some went on to be landowners and slave owners themselves.

 

[FLVOL_79]

This is actually incorrect.

In some cases, a master who was drafted into the army would send a slave instead, with a promise of freedom if he survived the war.
The new government of Virginia repealed the laws concerning manumission in 1782 and declared freedom for slaves who had fought for the colonies during the American Revolutionary War.

African slaves were freed in the North American colonies as early as the 17th century and some went on to be landowners and slave owners themselves.

No, its not incorrect. Were they fighting in the wars? Yeah. Was it a difference maker? No. The contributions were insiginifcant. No war was ever swung in America by how many Non White people were fighting for them.

Now did they help? Yeah, like a finance clerk in Toledo helped win WW2..

 

[AM64]

The discussion on slavery has me wondering again about the proposed reparations issue. Can anyone explain how this is anything other than vote pandering?

Is this covering all slavery or only black slaves?
Are Articles of Indenture considered a form of slavery.
If no, what about the white children already here that lost both parents and were forced by relatives, through our court systems, into forced indenture? Is that slavery?
Who is paying for this? Just whites?
Are immigrants who arrived after slavery was abolished exempt from paying?
What about the black slave owners? Are they paying?
How exactly would one prove their ancestors were slaves in order to qualify?
Slave schedules, from census records during that time period, are unable to actually prove someone was a slave.
Wills from slave owners of that time period normally just list a first name, nick name or even just daughter/son of a slave so they're of little assistance.
Manumission opens a whole new can of worms due to the various laws surrounding it.

Libs have it all figured out. No white person can be a victim of racial inequality, so scratch them from consideration. Any person of color is included ... they were bound to have been relatives (no matter how remote) to a slave somewhere at sometime. When you got here is immaterial. According to Obama only the government can make something, and the government originally condoned slavery; so being subject to the US government at any time means you are guilty for anything that happened at any time ... apparently even before 1775 when there was no US government..

 

[ClearwaterVol]

One could argue your insistence to avoid comparison is only to frame slavery in the US in the worst light possible.

I dont think the two should be mutually exclusive.

Ted bundy is a good guy when compared to John Gacy

 

[GVF]

The discussion on slavery has me wondering again about the proposed reparations issue. Can anyone explain how this is anything other than vote pandering?

Is this covering all slavery or only black slaves?
Are Articles of Indenture considered a form of slavery.
If no, what about the white children already here that lost both parents and were forced by relatives, through our court systems, into forced indenture? Is that slavery?
Who is paying for this? Just whites?
Are immigrants who arrived after slavery was abolished exempt from paying?
What about the black slave owners? Are they paying?
How exactly would one prove their ancestors were slaves in order to qualify?
Slave schedules, from census records during that time period, are unable to actually prove someone was a slave.
Wills from slave owners of that time period normally just list a first name, nick name or even just daughter/son of a slave so they're of little assistance.
Manumission opens a whole new can of worms due to the various laws surrounding it.

What about white families (like mine) that had small farms and never owned slaves. Do they pay? We had ONE employed family that worked for my great great grandfather and got paid, and was not bound in any way by "ownership." And were free to live where they chose since we had no provided quarters and owned no one. And took our family surname when they moved out west of Nashville.

 

[GVF]

This is actually incorrect.

In some cases, a master who was drafted into the army would send a slave instead, with a promise of freedom if he survived the war.
The new government of Virginia repealed the laws concerning manumission in 1782 and declared freedom for slaves who had fought for the colonies during the American Revolutionary War.

African slaves were freed in the North American colonies as early as the 17th century and some went on to be landowners and slave owners themselves.

So, there were black slave owners that need to help fund reparations.

 

[AM64]

So, there were black slave owners that need to help fund reparations.

Yeah, but remember he said they were slaves before they were slaveholders. The true liberal will only latch onto that first part.

 

[GVF]

Yeah, but remember he said they were slaves before they were slaveholders. The true liberal will only latch onto that first part.

Kinda like the slave calling the master blackie.

 

[DynaLo]

No, its not incorrect. Were they fighting in the wars? Yeah. Was it a difference maker? No. The contributions were insiginifcant. No war was ever swung in America by how many Non White people were fighting for them.

Now did they help? Yeah, like a finance clerk in Toledo helped win WW2..

Difference of opinion as I consider it a significant contribution when at a minimum they made up 4% of the continental army and navy man power base yet due to length of service, 8 times longer than whites, they made up 25% of the Patriots strength in terms of man hours.

 

[DynaLo]

Yeah, but remember he said they were slaves before they were slaveholders. The true liberal will only latch onto that first part.

Still technically British subjects at that time. Make the Brit's pay their fair share.

 

[LouderVol]

Ted bundy is a good guy when compared to John Gacy

I can play that game too. The guy who shot his home invader looks like a murderer, if you ignore John Gacy.

Neither is an honest conversation unless you have both. It's not like we have to make up the history on other countries, it's out there just as much as ours is. Unless you literally believe Americans should only learn about American history.

In fact that's one of the most compelling reasons to label Americans so bad in the slave business as we kept it going longer than our European cousins.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Its 100% about 85 and 75 placement. Moron dims thought merging them would be smart..it wasnt. Then they built a toll road..a worthless toll road. Tje congestion is mostly White folks anyway if you knew about racial car ownership in this area.

So the city planners are idjits?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I can play that game too. The guy who shot his home invader looks like a murderer, if you ignore John Gacy.

Neither is an honest conversation unless you have both. It's not like we have to make up the history on other countries, it's out there just as much as ours is. Unless you literally believe Americans should only learn about American history.

In fact that's one of the most compelling reasons to label Americans so bad in the slave business as we kept it going longer than our European cousins.

Wrong. The guy shooting the invader did nothing wrong. Unless you're arguing that the US was innocent in slavery, of course.

 

[Weezer]

Ted bundy is a good guy when compared to John Gacy

I don't know, Gacy was nice enough to offer the police breakfast. Did Bundy do that?

 

[Weezer]

At what point do we, as a nation, forgive ourselves of our past? Legalized slavery ended a long time ago. No one alive today was around when it was legal. So when do we finally let it rest as something that happened in the past that we cannot change? Why should anyone alive today feel guilt over something they didn't participate in. It's ridiculous how much emphasis we still put on it after all this time.