SEC Hoops Jobs Ranked by Coaches

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Daloth said:
when 13 years ago is "recent" we have issues.
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Well, it's a matter of perspective. In the grand scheme of 100+ years of college basketball, 13 years is still pretty recent. My point was that Florida isn't known as a traditional basketball power outside of those two titles the same as San Francisco isn't considered a basketball power despite their two titles from the 50s. Florida's are just more recent.
 
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When I look at the UT job, I see all the resources needed to compete at the highest levels. I see a program that has a starving and very dedicated fan base. Just a taste of success will send the excitement meter off the charts. UT is a program that's been somewhat dormant for a while now. Just a little spark could set things off. I think the last couple of years has done just that. A sleeping giant has been aroused. I think we're headed into a really nice run of success under Barnes. I, for one, am excited to see how things play out over the next several years.

One thing is certain...when Barnes does decide to walk away, coaching candidates will view UT in a much different light. Don't think this job will be a tough sell from here on out.
 
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orangefloyd said:
Basketball is more important than football at Arkansas? Doubt that.
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It might have been in the 90's. There are even some who would rather go to a super regional baseball game than a football game these days, but it's all relative to the success of the sport. Arkansas supports all three pretty well but can be fairweather like all schools I guess. There is definitely apathy about football right now.
 
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gohogs14 said:
It might have been in the 90's. There are even some who would rather go to a super regional baseball game than a football game these days, but it's all relative to the success of the sport. Arkansas supports all three pretty well but can be fairweather like all schools I guess. There is definitely apathy about football right now.
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Can't say I blame Razorback fans for being apathetic about football. Haven't had much to cheer about since Petrino.
 
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Daloth said:
when 13 years ago is "recent" we have issues.
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I had a thought on this lately, we really have to run off a 15-ish year window. The kids graduating are -barely- old enough to remember 13 years ago and especially a few years after it when it was still fresh. That means it happened in their lifetime. If some event happened in the kids lifetime it can play a factor in their recruitment. I know that this is about coaching not recruiting but just had that thought.
 
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esarmstrong said:
I'll still stand by my earlier comment that we are a better program than Florida in hoops, all time.
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While in football the overall history of Tennessee is more than enough to outweigh Florida’s recent success, the same is not true in basketball.

5 Final Fours, 2 national titles, and the #5 NCAA tournament winning percentage all-time is enough to surpass whatever it is Tennessee wants to hang its hat on in men’s basketball.
 
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99gator said:
While in football the overall history of Tennessee is more than enough to outweigh Florida’s recent success, the same is not true in basketball.

5 Final Fours, 2 national titles, and the #5 NCAA tournament winning percentage all-time is enough to surpass whatever it is Tennessee wants to hang its hat on in men’s basketball.
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How about the 71-55 head-to-head record?
 
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99gator said:
That’s not enough, IMO.

Same as the Florida football head to head record isn’t enough to rank Florida ahead of Tennessee as a football program
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How about Florida's first NCAAT appearance came barely over 30 years ago? History began long before that.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
How about Florida's first NCAAT appearance came barely over 30 years ago? History began long before that.
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Yes, it did.

And again, what Florida has accomplished in that short time eclipses what Tennessee has in its entire history

The Chicago Bulls may only have the Michael Jordan era, but the Michael Jordan era of the Bulls is better alone than the history of about 20 NBA franchises or more.

Florida’s recent success does not put it in the upper stratosphere of basketball programs and I would never argue it did. But, Tennessee ain’t one of those programs
 
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Florida has practically zero history outside of Billy. It's a dot com program. They're like the San Francisco Dons... there's very little there minus Bill Russell. Florida is a popcorn fart.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Florida has practically zero history outside of Billy. It's a dot com program. They're like the San Francisco Dons... there's very little there minus Bill Russell. Florida is a popcorn fart.
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My bad.

Tell me of the wondrous history of Tennessee basketball.

Ernie and Bernie.

The end
 
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99gator said:
My bad.

Tell me of the wondrous history of Tennessee basketball.

Ernie and Bernie.

The end
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More wins versus the winningest program in the history of college basketball than any other team.

Go away troll. Gators suck. Their fans suck more.
 
#43
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99gator said:
That’s not enough, IMO.

Same as the Florida football head to head record isn’t enough to rank Florida ahead of Tennessee as a football program
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What about Tennessee's much better overall record in conference and all-time records. Tennessee has more SEC titles than Florida. IIRC, Tennessee has the third best overall conference record all time (behind only Kentucky and Alabama). Florida is below 500 all time in conference games. Tennessee has a winning or 500 record against every SEC team all-time except for Kentucky and Alabama. 99gator, I would argue that LSU and Alabama have better overall program histories than Florida in hoops. Just go away, troll.
 
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99gator said:
That’s not enough, IMO.

Same as the Florida football head to head record isn’t enough to rank Florida ahead of Tennessee as a football program
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Not the same at all. Apples to Oranges. In football, during the first 60 plus years of the 20th century (When UT was arguably one of the three (3) most dominant teams in the SEC along side Alabama and Georgia Tech), Tennessee and Florida met almost never (12 times with UT holding an 11-1 edge). Compare to basketball where the two (2) schools have been playing an average of about 1.2 times a year since Florida first fielded a team in the early 1920's. In Football, the two teams didn't start playing every year until 1990. Had the two teams played every year from the beginning like, say Florida and Georgia, Florida would probably have a losing all-time record against UT.

The point: in basketball the sample size comes from every year and thus is a more representative indicator of each program's relative strength to one another.
 
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esarmstrong said:
What about Tennessee's much better overall record in conference and all-time records. Tennessee has more SEC titles than Florida. IIRC, Tennessee has the third best overall conference record all time (behind only Kentucky and Alabama). Florida is below 500 all time in conference games. Tennessee has a winning or 500 record against every SEC team all-time except for Kentucky and Alabama. 99gator, I would argue that LSU and Alabama have better overall program histories than Florida in hoops. Just go away, troll.
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Ok, let’s take Tennessee out of the equation.

You mentioned Alabama. Do you really believe Alabama’s overall body of work is so strong that Florida’s run of success doesn’t surpass that?

Everyone not named Kentucky or Arkansas (most of it in the SWC) have mediocre at best basketball histories. I’m not comparing Florida to Kansas for crying out loud.

We’re talking about Tennessee and Alabama here. Two schools whose basketball achievements are not the stuff of legend.
 
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#46
#46
“Veteran Coaches” would rank Arkansas over Tennessee. Did Goodman receive their ballots through the mail?
 
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99gator said:
Ok, let’s take Tennessee out of the equation.

You mentioned Alabama. Do you really believe Alabama’s overall body of work is so strong that Florida’s run of success doesn’t surpass that?

Everyone not named Kentucky or Arkansas (most of it in the SWC) have mediocre at best basketball histories. I’m not comparing Florida to Kansas for crying out loud.

We’re talking about Tennessee and Alabama here. Two schools whose basketball achievements are not the stuff of legend.
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Florida’s basketball success is probably under-appreciated because everything about them is generally unlikable.
 
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99gator said:
Ok, let’s take Tennessee out of the equation.

You mentioned Alabama. Do you really believe Alabama’s overall body of work is so strong that Florida’s run of success doesn’t surpass that?

Everyone not named Kentucky or Arkansas (most of it in the SWC) have mediocre at best basketball histories. I’m not comparing Florida to Kansas for crying out loud.

We’re talking about Tennessee and Alabama here. Two schools whose basketball achievements are not the stuff of legend.
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Cute, you don't want to talk about Tennessee anymore because you are beginning to see the weaknesses in your argument there, so you choose to compare Florida to Alabama. Before you start puffing up your chest about Florida's two NCAA titles, you would do well just take a little time looking at the all-time records of other schools besides Florida in basketball. Alabama is the second winningest program in the SEC all time. They have 8 conference titles (one more than Florida), 6 tournament titles (two more than Florida). And I will wager they lead the all-time series with Florida in hoops. Did it ever occur you that part of the reason the rest of the SEC has low numbers in hoops is because of the dominance of one team: Kentucky. I wonder what Arkansas hoops history would be like if they had played in the SEC from the beginning?
 
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golfballs said:
Florida’s basketball success is probably under-appreciated because everything about them is generally unlikable.
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For the record, I’m not disagreeing with much of the argument people are making.

Yes, Florida’s basketball history is mostly bad. Not denying that.

All I am saying is that their recent history of great achievement catapults them above other programs with little to no great achievement.

And in basketball, in the SEC, no one has a history better than mediocre outside of Kentucky
 
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Tennessee has better basketball facilities than Florida. A nicer, newer, bigger, better arena. And Pratt Pavilion is also among the best in the country. It includes:
  • An athletic training and weight room that was expanded to 4,350 square feet in 2016
  • Film study room and recruiting lounges
  • Two full size basketball courts - for both men and women's
  • A new state of the art locker room complex that was just completed last year (take a look at the video tour with Grant Williams from a year ago)
There is no way Florida's is better, from what I know about them. I don't think any program in the country has better facilities for basketball than Tennessee, and this list had us 5th in the SEC? ... That is ignorant.
 
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