Foster Article in Tennessean (Merged)

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kptvol said:
. Henry had to relinquish his position. Foster has not.
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not true. Foster relinquished to coker before being kicked off Henry was starting as a senior
In 2000.as is foster. both benefited at the expense of other injuries and suspensions through their junior seasons.
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#103
#103
kptvol said:
He said Henry made the most of his situation. Had he really made the "most" out of it, Jamal would have stayed on the bench.
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Your rebuttal is moronic. He got the most of being a substitute to jamal by becoming the schools all time leading rusher. Jamal is far superior and would have held the rushing mark had it not been for injuries.
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#104
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kptvol said:
Jamal Lewis had already departed at that point.
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Henry would still be back up to lewis had he decided to stay his senior year.
You are going to tell me coker would not be starting this season had he not got kicked off last november?
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#105
#105
I think his fumbles have been magnified 10 fold due primarily to the coaches and the rest of the teams play. I actually feel kinda bad for the guy.
 
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utfantilidie said:
I think his fumbles have been magnified 10 fold due primarily to the coaches and the rest of the teams play. I actually feel kinda bad for the guy.
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I'm trying to discount that in comparing him to others, including Hardesty. UT has had some great tailbacks over the years. To me, Hardesty and Creer look more like the mold than does Foster. And the mold for TB at UT is easily NFL caliber talent.
 
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Low Country Vol said:
Your rebuttal is moronic. He got the most of being a substitute to jamal by becoming the schools all time leading rusher. Jamal is far superior and would have held the rushing mark had it not been for injuries.
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Looks like someone gets upset when his views get challenged and he needs to throw out childish insults. Well, get ready, because I'm not done. Let's look at what you've claimed so far.

Travis Henry made the most of an opportunity gained when the guy ahead of him got hurt. He did this by setting the career rushing record.

Arian Foster did not make the most of a similar opportunity. He did this by setting himself up to break Travis Henry's record. That makes tons of sense.

Also, you've got your facts wrong. Arian Foster went down with an injury after reaggravating problems he suffered the season prior. At that point, Montario Hardesty took over and played very poorly. Eventually, Lamarcus Coker secured the starting position and played the rest of the season. However, in preseason practice before 2007 Arian reclaimed the starting role. Coker's biggest action came against Arkansas State when he got 15 carries. His last carry as a Vol was against South Carolina. Coker would not be starting over Arian.
 
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kptvol said:
Looks like someone gets upset when his views get challenged and he needs to throw out childish insults. Well, get ready, because I'm not done. Let's look at what you've claimed so far.

Travis Henry made the most of an opportunity gained when the guy ahead of him got hurt. He did this by setting the career rushing record.

Arian Foster did not make the most of a similar opportunity. He did this by setting himself up to break Travis Henry's record. That makes tons of sense.

Also, you've got your facts wrong. Arian Foster went down with an injury after reaggravating problems he suffered the season prior. At that point, Montario Hardesty took over and played very poorly. Eventually, Lamarcus Coker secured the starting position and played the rest of the season. However, in preseason practice before 2007 Arian reclaimed the starting role. Coker's biggest action came against Arkansas State when he got 15 carries. His last carry as a Vol was against South Carolina. Coker would not be starting over Arian.
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Coker would be starting this season. If the fumble, iditoic personal foul and botched handoff is not reason to bench; then we continue down this same road to mediocrity.
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kptvol said:
Looks like someone gets upset when his views get challenged and he needs to throw out childish insults. Well, get ready, because I'm not done. Let's look at what you've claimed so far.

Travis Henry made the most of an opportunity gained when the guy ahead of him got hurt. He did this by setting the career rushing record.

Arian Foster did not make the most of a similar opportunity. He did this by setting himself up to break Travis Henry's record. That makes tons of sense.

Also, you've got your facts wrong. Arian Foster went down with an injury after reaggravating problems he suffered the season prior. At that point, Montario Hardesty took over and played very poorly. Eventually, Lamarcus Coker secured the starting position and played the rest of the season. However, in preseason practice before 2007 Arian reclaimed the starting role. Coker's biggest action came against Arkansas State when he got 15 carries. His last carry as a Vol was against South Carolina. Coker would not be starting over Arian.
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What is your fascination with Arian Foster??? I mean in multiple threads where fans are calling for Hardesty & Creer over Foster you come riding in to defend Arian. Are you sure this attachment to Arian is healthy?

I agree with you the childish insults are uncalled for but Coker, Hardesty, and/or Creer should be on the field before dinosaur boy....veek veek veek!
 
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Low Country Vol said:
Your rebuttal is moronic. He got the most of being a substitute to jamal by becoming the schools all time leading rusher. Jamal is far superior and would have held the rushing mark had it not been for injuries.
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So would Reggie Cobb and Chuck Webb . . . but that's the crazy thing about becoming the all time rushing leader. To get yards a RB has to get carries. To get carries a RB has to actually be on the field.
 
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rockytophigh said:
What is your fascination with Arian Foster??? I mean in multiple threads where fans are calling for Hardesty & Creer over Foster you come riding in to defend Arian. Are you sure this attachment to Arian is healthy?

I agree with you the childish insults are uncalled for but Coker, Hardesty, and/or Creer should be on the field before dinosaur boy....veek veek veek!
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I haven't even really defended him. I've just pointed out what's untrue about the arguments against him.
 
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kptvol said:
I haven't even really defended him. I've just pointed out what's untrue about the arguments against him.
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Come on, KPT. You are so pro-Foster it's a little unbecoming for a man of your wisdom, otherwise.
 
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utmba93 said:
Bingo... another VN poster who recognizes talent.
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Coker is playing for the Hampton Pirates and he's really done very little there. The last time Hardesty was the starter he did very poorly. Creer hasn't really been on the field enough against good competition to really evaluate him.
 
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utmba93 said:
Come on, KPT. You are so pro-Foster it's a little unbecoming for a man of your wisdom, otherwise.
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Not really. If Hardesty were named the starter tomorrow I wouldn't bat an eyelash. I have a problem with two things.

1. When a player is made into a scapegoat for the season. Like Arian, or not, there are much bigger problems keeping UT from winning football games.

2. I think it's a bit funny how the lower you are on the depth chart, the better you are assumed to be by some. Stephens is better than Crompton, I'll grant that. But a lot of people think Coleman is the best of all. Then you've got Creer being the best, followed by Hardesty, and of course the starter is the worst. Also, we've recently seen a few posters saying Lucas Taylor shouldn't be playing in favor of Denarius Moore and Ahmad Paige. Luke Stocker evidently sucks, Brandon Warren is better than Jason Witten. The list goes on.
 
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kptvol said:
Coker is playing for the Hampton Pirates and he's really done very little there. The last time Hardesty was the starter he did very poorly. Creer hasn't really been on the field enough against good competition to really evaluate him.
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Well, if it's any consequence, I don't blame Foster for not doing so well this year behind our O-line. It would take a guy like Jamal to do well this year with that blocking.

But still, I like the way Hardesty hits the hole a lot faster. I did like some of AF's stiff arms last week (I recall two good ones on one play). AF does seem to wear defenses down when we get enough running plays (e.g. not the 3 and out of late). Again... the O-Line could help. I'd also like to see Creer more.
 
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the bottom line is I'm not sure even if we run the 60-70% of the time that the new clock format will allow for any team to have the two main tailbacks get more than 35-40 touches total. That doesn't leave much room for the third stringer. Creer will get his chances starting next year.
 
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utmba93 said:
Well, if it's any consequence, I don't blame Foster for not doing so well this year behind our O-line. It would take a guy like Jamal to do well this year with that blocking.

But still, I like the way Hardesty hits the hole a lot faster. I did like some of AF's stiff arms last week (I recall two good ones on one play). AF does seem to wear defenses down when we get enough running plays (e.g. not the 3 and out of late). Again... the O-Line could help. I'd also like to see Creer more.
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Arian's always had a good stiff arm. Hardesty runs really hard, but we've seen how that won't really matter if the O-Line can't get any push (the last couple of runs against NIU). There's no easy solution. I really don't think Hardesty/Creer will make a huge difference unless Creer can really start breaking long runs.
 
#121
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kptvol said:
I think it's a bit funny how the lower you are on the depth chart, the better you are assumed to be by some. Stephens is better than Crompton, I'll grant that. But a lot of people think Coleman is the best of all. Then you've got Creer being the best, followed by Hardesty, and of course the starter is the worst. Also, we've recently seen a few posters saying Lucas Taylor shouldn't be playing in favor of Denarius Moore and Ahmad Paige. Luke Stocker evidently sucks, Brandon Warren is better than Jason Witten. The list goes on.
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It's message board law.
 
#122
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kptvol said:
2. Also, we've recently seen a few posters saying Lucas Taylor shouldn't be playing in favor of Denarius Moore and Ahmad Paige. Luke Stocker evidently sucks, Brandon Warren is better than Jason Witten. The list goes on.
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I'd like to see more of all the above, especially Moore, but I don't expect anyone to be Jason Witten. What is going on with Paige? We get so few snaps, it's hard for anyone to get PT.
 
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