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zjcvols said:
His ERA before this year in 191 innings was 2.64. He’s pitched 40 innings this year. So we’re dealing with a SSS. Also if you take his three worst innings this year is ERA is under 3.

Also using strictly ERA is a terrible way to evaluate relief pitchers.
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Waste of time bro. Vázquez is 100x better than that bum.
 
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I think we get two decent BP arms and a RF. If the Nats get some BP help they will pass us in the East and IMO they are better then us now
 
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ckilla27 said:
I think we get two decent BP arms and a RF. If the Nats get some BP help they will pass us in the East and IMO they are better then us now
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We walked them 10 times and it still took a 2 out grand slam to avoid being 6.5 back. I’m not conceding anything but they are good.
 
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Wickman said:
I think we don’t do a damn thing
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Last year, we had way less incentive not to do anything and we added four guys that were on the postseason roster (Gausman, Duda, Brach, Venters) and Duvall would have been if he hadn’t been god awful. He’s going to do something. Maybe not major but somebody is getting added to this team.
 
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zjcvols said:
His ERA before this year in 191 innings was 2.64. He’s pitched 40 innings this year. So we’re dealing with a SSS. Also if you take his three worst innings this year is ERA is under 3.

Also using strictly ERA is a terrible way to evaluate relief pitchers.
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And he pitched in Seattle, a pitcher's park.

I've never heard ERA being a terrible way to evaluate relief pitchers. Its not the only stat to go on, but it tells the story. High ERA = blown saves, which Diaz has done 6 times
 
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GAVol said:
I agree that you can't overvalue prospects just because they're yours, but there's a reason teams have whole departments devoted to projecting prospects.
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Sure, but let me remind you of this. How many of you would have been screaming no at this? How about now? Matt Wisler, Allard, and Wright lol.

 
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vols 30 said:
And he pitched in Seattle, a pitcher's park.

I've never heard ERA being a terrible way to evaluate relief pitchers. Its not the only stat to go on, but it tells the story. High ERA = blown saves, which Diaz has done 6 times
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His xFIP which factors in ballpark is better than Vazquez.

It’s a bad way to evaluate relievers. There’s like five stats you should use instead. K/walk rate, FIP, WHIP. All better ways to evaluate relieves.

Also 191 innings of 2.64 ERA before this year while his K rate and BB rate are still mostly similar this year. His BABIP is .394 which would is astronomically unluckily this year
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Sure, but let me remind you of this. How many of you would have been screaming no at this? How about now? Matt Wisler, Allard, and Wright lol.

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Let’s see..........


Those prospects for five years of Yelich (which I know I wanted and) is fine.

Y’all think we don’t want to trade anyone. I do. I don’t want to trade our best prospects for relievers or rentals
 
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TBrown said:
I also think the fact that are prospects are freaking good plays into it
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We graduated three guys and we still have a top 5-7 farm system. We have so much talent and we we got ahead of schedule in contention. I understand AA’s patience.
 
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zjcvols said:
Let’s see..........


Those prospects for five years of Yelich (which I know I wanted and) is fine.

Y’all think we don’t want to trade anyone. I do. I don’t want to trade our best prospects for relievers or rentals
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I don't want to trade them for rentals either. My point is that if we can grab some known commodities like Thor, our prospects should not be untouchable. Look at that list now of prospects. There's only one prospect on there that we still value that highly. Wright is iffy. For the right package, we gotta take a chance. I'm not saying empty the farm, but we can't be afraid to trade Anderson in a package to get Thor. We know what Thor is. For all we know Anderson could end up the next Wisler.
 
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zjcvols said:
His xFIP which factors in ballpark is better than Vazquez.

It’s a bad way to evaluate relievers. There’s like five stats you should use instead. K/walk rate, FIP, WHIP. All better ways to evaluate relieves.

Also 191 innings of 2.64 ERA before this year while his K rate and BB rate are still mostly similar this year. His BABIP is .394 which would is astronomically unluckily this year
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I'm going with ERA and blown saves. That what I'm judging him on and apparently so are the Mets.

It's really a silly take on my part. The Braves will probably get neither.

I'd take Giles, if healthy, over Diaz
 
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TBrown said:
We walked them 10 times and it still took a 2 out grand slam to avoid being 6.5 back. I’m not conceding anything but they are good.
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I just think we have more holes at this current moment. Riley is atrocious, no RF, and our starters can't pitch late into games which leads to our BP sucking. IMO ride Duvall while he is hot, send Riley down, get a decent RF and a couple of BP arms
 
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zjcvols said:
For Thor/Díaz- Waters, Anderson, Wright, Jenista (idk if that’s enough)

Puig- Allard/Wentz

I’d AA went all out, I would try that.
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Throw away future starters and a big part of your next 10-12 year plan and potentially multiyear All-Stars. No way!
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Throw away future starters and a big part of your next 10-12 year plan and potentially multiyear All-Stars. No way!
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Or... guys who never pan out and don't end up doing that much for two known commodities under team control, one a frontline starter who would be our number 1 or if not, our number 2 at worst, and another a very good closer which our current team doesn't have.
 
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