PFF: Fewest turnover worthy plays among SEC QBs (another JG thread)

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vols 30 said:
His short game is good, but I'm going to disagree on the deep ball. That is where he is inaccurate. Some of it is lack of protection, but some of it is on him. His completion percentage is good because of fewer pass attempts and short passes. It's a combo of him and the O- line.
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Your math is odd. Fewer pass attempts makes it harder to maintain a high completion percentage. If you only throw 10 passes, then 5 incomplete passes makes you completion % 50%. Those same 5 incompletions against 100 pass attempts only drops your CP to 95%.
 
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k-town_king said:
Yea. He was worse.

JG was literally one of the most effective QBs in the nation by most advanced stats. Great rates for almost every stat. Ergo more attempts were needed with an ineffective run game.
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More passing attempts and JG might have been permanently damaged.

There was a game (dont remember which one, not Florida) that I yelled at the TV for him to stay down. Dude kept getting up.

It’s not all one thing.

The line was bad.

And the play calling was designed to protect him from (1) getting killed and (2) making bad decisions.
 
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Pride85 said:
Your math is odd. Fewer pass attempts makes it harder to maintain a high completion percentage. If you only throw 10 passes, then 5 incomplete passes makes you completion % 50%. Those same 5 incompletions against 100 pass attempts only drops your CP to 95%.
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I think that's completely dependent on the QB, and the throws they attempt. JG ended the season 7th in completion percentage, and all 6 of the QB's ahead of him had more attempts.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Agreed. JG is our guy this year but Maurer looked good to me. What impressed me most is he had command of the offense. He took charge and ran a no huddle offense in his first spring game as well as an upperclassman would.
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That’s all I’m saying. some people are too wrapped up in the stats that they disregard the eye test that doesn’t show up on any stat sheet. What’s most impressive to me is the fact that he showed ONE issue he needs to improve going forward(decision making) as opposed to most 4/5* freshman that have a list. I’m just happy we’re in MUCH better shape than the rankings give us credit for at that position.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Sure, if you redefine several words in the English language, that statement would be accurate.
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If your efficiency is great and all the rate stats are great you did your job. Did you not?

His job wasn't to call more pass plays and get more attempts.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
First off my opinion wasn’t a personal attack on you... 😂 second the ball thrown to Keyton was behind him on a fade route where he had his defender beat (meaning he had to stop his momentum and come back to the ball) if he would have been led there wouldn’t have been a need for him to come back to the ball at all it was poorly thrown.

Both of Maurers interceptions can be corrected but they were bad. Especially the first one. I never said the kid wasn’t good. Just thought it is absolutely ridiculous that he would be a starter over JG or Shrout this year
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Didn’t take it as a personal attack. I took it for what it was. A discount of his actual skill set. It wasn’t a fade route, it was a “go” route with what looked like a blown coverage by the corner. Are we suggesting that JM doesn’t change his pursuit angle had BM lead him the way you suggest? Sounds like a big collision at the ball to me if so. You can argue it was thrown late and I’ll take that because it was for the type of route it was. Although given the fact that it wasn’t his first read that’s to be expected. I see it as he put it short and high and gave his receiver a chance that he didn’t take. JM on the other hand benefited from Keaton’s lack of effort.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Given he played behind one of the worst OLs in any P5 conference and a WR corps that led the SEC in drops, those numbers are actually good.
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Wasn’t one of the things brought up by a receiver last how hard he throws it? If a receiver has a too hard throw when not needed how is it the WR’s fault if he drops it?
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Wasn’t one of the things brought up by a receiver last how hard he throws it? If a receiver has a too hard throw when not needed how is it the WR’s fault if he drops it?
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Certainly possible. And that could be a huge reason for the drops. But it certainly isnt the reason why the WRs cannot get separation on a consistent basis.
 
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1vol8 said:
Didn’t take it as a personal attack. I took it for what it was. A discount of his actual skill set. It wasn’t a fade route, it was a “go” route with what looked like a blown coverage by the corner. Are we suggesting that JM doesn’t change his pursuit angle had BM lead him the way you suggest? Sounds like a big collision at the ball to me if so. You can argue it was thrown late and I’ll take that because it was for the type of route it was. Although given the fact that it wasn’t his first read that’s to be expected. I see it as he put it short and high and gave his receiver a chance that he didn’t take. JM on the other hand benefited from Keaton’s lack of effort.
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Go back and watch it again. Keyton was running and had to completely change his body angle and speed, he couldn’t jump at the point when the ball got there. So yes it was the QBs fault. I didn’t discredit anything Maurer did. But to say after throwing 2 picks against the 2nd team defense he is going to start is ridiculous.
 
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KBVol said:
Yeah, you’re right. Matter of fact, every other 20+ yard completions by SEC QBs in the SEC last year were 20+ yard catches with zero yards after catch, while all of JGs were behind the line of scrimmage screens where the receiver ran 25+ yards, including the Auburn completions which were just a figment of your imagination. There, your narrative is in tact.
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Read my post again. I guess where I said "besides the Auburn" was a figment of yours.

All the QB's have the the long runs after a catch. I'm talking about hitting a guy in stride down field. I just don't remember many of those. Seems like most of JG's ended up like the Vandy game. A jump ball
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Go back and watch it again. Keyton was running and had to completely change his body angle and speed, he couldn’t jump at the point when the ball got there. So yes it was the QBs fault. I didn’t discredit anything Maurer did. But to say after throwing 2 picks against the 2nd team defense he is going to start is ridiculous.
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You’ll never hear me say he should start over JG. I respect JG. But there are things that just make him different. And I have gone back and looked. I’m kind of a film junkie. I’ve slowed it down and watched again and again. We won’t agree but my opinion is he gave up and it would have been a different outcome had the target been Calloway or Jennings. You have to take into consideration that the kid can throw the ball nearly 70 yards yet it was under thrown at 35? That was done on purpose imo. He gave Keaton the best chance to win with the ball placement (high and short) with a safety breaking over the top.
 
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Pride85 said:
Your math is odd. Fewer pass attempts makes it harder to maintain a high completion percentage. If you only throw 10 passes, then 5 incomplete passes makes you completion % 50%. Those same 5 incompletions against 100 pass attempts only drops your CP to 95%.
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Fewer pass attempts also mean fewer interceptions. And it's also a reason why he only had 12 TD passes the entire year. Only UK's QB had less. Not sure The coaching staff trusted him or the O-line around the endzone
 
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vols 30 said:
Fewer pass attempts also mean fewer interceptions. And it's also a reason why he only had 12 TD passes the entire year. Only UK's QB had less. Not sure The coaching staff trusted him or the O-line around the endzone
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OK. Not the topic I was commenting on, but that's fine. Commenting on percentages, not actuals.
 
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Freak said:
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What is a “turnover worthy” play?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Oh I have seen the videos. But like I said, he played behnd one of the worst OLs in any P5 conference and thats not debatable. Our WRs are not gamebreakers who can bet separation or hold onto the ball with any consistency. There is no sugarcoating anything. But it seems that anytime anyone posts positive things about JG in any fashion, you or some others are always there to provide your negatives toward him. Why? Is it so bad that some Vol fans thinks he is good? I have never seen anyone post that JG is elite and perfect.
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Posting his stats is being negative? Do you have K-town_king on your ignore list? Cause he's in this very thread trying to sell JG's elite status based off of his passing efficiency alone.

BigOrangeTrain said:
Its funny though, I have watched the NFL and have seen guys like Wilson, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and Brees struggle when their OL cannot do their jobs properly. Why is that thats ok for thembut not JG? JG certainly has his flaws. But given all the difficulties he has experienced since arriving at TN, its hard fir me to understand why some think he just isnt any good.
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When's the last time you saw any of those guys go an entire season and sling only 12 touchdowns, even behind a poorly-performing oline, and not receive some criticism for their performance? Go back and watch the videos that I've linked previously, and look at the protection and tell me that all of JG's shortcomings are the fault of the oline, cause that's what gets rolled out every time there's a thread about him. Throw the oline under the bus, it's all their fault, JG was under pressure on "every play". It's simply not true, and the video evidence shows it not be the case.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Posting his stats is being negative? Do you have K-town_king on your ignore list? Cause he's in this very thread trying to sell JG's elite status based off of his passing efficiency alone.



When's the last time you saw any of those guys go an entire season and sling only 12 touchdowns, even behind a poorly-performing oline, and not receive some criticism for their performance? Go back and watch the videos that I've linked previously, and look at the protection and tell me that all of JG's shortcomings are the fault of the oline, cause that's what gets rolled out every time there's a thread about him. Throw the oline under the bus, it's all their fault, JG was under pressure on "every play". It's simply not true, and the video evidence shows it not be the case.
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When have I said elite? Did well for the attempts and very efficient. Never said elite. Shows potential.


When was the last time they had first year head coaches and coordinators that are scared to throw the ball?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The OL, TE, RB, QB, OC and HC are ALL to blame. Yet for some unknown reason, most understand that without at least decent OL play, a QBs chances of being good are extremely slim.
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You are preaching to the choir. I've never insinuated that JG is wholly responsible for the poor play of any other offensive position.
 
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BeardedVol said:
If your goal as a QB is to have "efficient passing percentages", sure. In reality, he was middle of the conference at best depending on how much weight you give to wins/passing TDs/interceptions.

Completions: 12th
Attempts: 14th
Completion %: 7th
Passing yards: 11th
YPA: 6th
Adjusted YPA: 7th
Passing TDs: 12th
Interceptions: 1st
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