PFF: Fewest turnover worthy plays among SEC QBs (another JG thread)

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LittleVol said:
It's called minimizing risk.

Helton or Scott before him didn't trust JG.

Helton wasn't nearly as bad as some think.
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Yea. He was worse.

JG was literally one of the most effective QBs in the nation by most advanced stats. Great rates for almost every stat. Ergo more attempts were needed with an ineffective run game.
 
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k-town_king said:
Yea. He was worse.

JG was literally one of the most effective QBs in the nation by most advanced stats. Great rates for almost every stat. Ergo more attempts were needed with an ineffective run game.
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If your goal as a QB is to have "efficient passing percentages", sure. In reality, he was middle of the conference at best depending on how much weight you give to wins/passing TDs/interceptions.

Completions: 12th.
Attempts: 14th
Completion %: 7th
Passing yards: 11th
YPA: 6th
Adjusted YPA: 7th
Passing TDs: 12th
Interceptions: 1st
 
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BeardedVol said:
If your goal as a QB is to have "efficient passing percentages", sure. In reality, he was middle of the conference at best depending on how much weight you give to wins/passing TDs/interceptions.

Completions: 12th.
Attempts: 14th
Completion %: 7th
Passing yards: 11th
YPA: 6th
Adjusted YPA: 7th
Passing TDs: 12th
Interceptions: 1st
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Given he played behind one of the worst OLs in any P5 conference and a WR corps that led the SEC in drops, those numbers are actually good.
 
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BeardedVol said:
If your goal as a QB is to have "efficient passing percentages", sure. In reality, he was middle of the conference at best depending on how much weight you give to wins/passing TDs/interceptions.

Completions: 12th.
Attempts: 14th
Completion %: 7th
Passing yards: 11th
YPA: 6th
Adjusted YPA: 7th
Passing TDs: 12th
Interceptions: 1st
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That is the point in saying he needs more attempts. He would be near the top in all the raw total stats with more attempts.

So I guess you agree we just need to throw it more? When we actually did throw it he did pretty well.

Wins aren't a QB stat or measurement. If the are then Pat Mahomes is a scrub and Jalen Hurts is one of the 5 greatest college players ever.
 
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LittleVol said:
It's called minimizing risk.

Helton or Scott before him didn't trust JG.

Helton wasn't nearly as bad as some think.
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And why did Helton not trust JG?

1. Didn’t turn the ball over
2. Completed passes at a high percentage
3. Didn’t take a lot sacks (less than 2 per game behind the worst OL in the country and program history)
4. Read defenses very well as evidenced by his school record attempted passes without an interception coupled with a good yards per attempt.

So, the JG detractors can raise all the false flags about JG that they want, but those 4 things regarding JG are facts that would lead one to believe that Helton had to no reason not to trust JG. And as we all now see, Pruitt sure as hell trust him.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Given he played behind one of the worst OLs in any P5 conference and a WR corps that led the SEC in drops, those numbers are actually good.
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You can argue the reasons why or how much blame goes where all day long, but that still doesn't change the numbers.

I've posted JG's passing videos multiple times, you can go back and count the seconds of protection after snap even, the oline was undersized and was terrible on run-protection for the entirety of the season, but they did improve on pass-protection as the season progressed. QB play was relatively static in spite of the improving pass protection as the season progressed.

There's no need to sugarcoat 2018, he'll have 12 opportunities to rewrite the narrative coming real soon.
 
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k-town_king said:
That is the point in saying he needs more attempts. He would be near the top in all the raw total stats with more attempts.

So I guess you agree we just need to throw it more? When we actually did throw it he did pretty well.

Wins aren't a QB stat or measurement. If the are then Pat Mahomes is a scrub and Jalen Hurts is one of the 5 greatest college players ever.
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The fact that our run game was as bad as it was, begs the question of why we weren't throwing it more. Whether or not JG would have maintained his stats with 100+ more attempts is irrelevant, because you can't prove either way whether or not he would have maintained the vaunted efficiency which you seem to find so appealing.

Texas Tech didn't lose games because Mahomes wasn't doing his job as a QB, they lost because their defense was trash. In 2016 Mahomes was responsible for 41 passing TDs and 12 rushing TDs, trying to compare Guarantano to him because Texas Tech finished 5-7 is like comparing Big K Lemon Drop to Johnnie Walker 18 Year because they are both liquids.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You can argue the reasons why or how much blame goes where all day long, but that still doesn't change the numbers.

I've posted JG's passing videos multiple times, you can go back and count the seconds of protection after snap even, the oline was undersized and was terrible on run-protection for the entirety of the season, but they did improve on pass-protection as the season progressed. QB play was relatively static in spite of the improving pass protection as the season progressed.

There's no need to sugarcoat 2018, he'll have 12 opportunities to rewrite the narrative coming real soon.
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Oh I have seen the videos. But like I said, he played behnd one of the worst OLs in any P5 conference and thats not debatable. Our WRs are not gamebreakers who can bet separation or hold onto the ball with any consistency. There is no sugarcoating anything. But it seems that anytime anyone posts positive things about JG in any fashion, you or some others are always there to provide your negatives toward him. Why? Is it so bad that some Vol fans thinks he is good? I have never seen anyone post that JG is elite and perfect.

Its funny though, I have watched the NFL and have seen guys like Wilson, Rodgers, Brady, Manning and Brees struggle when their OL cannot do their jobs properly. Why is that thats ok for thembut not JG? JG certainly has his flaws. But given all the difficulties he has experienced since arriving at TN, its hard fir me to understand why some think he just isnt any good.
 
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1vol8 said:
I don’t agree that BM will be the starter but putting those stats out there as an attempt to discredit how he looked is ridiculous. He was in his first college atmosphere, in front of the biggest crowd he’s ever seen, on national TV and technically still in hs. He wasn’t phased a bit which shows the mindset of a qb that no game will ever be “too big”. Yes he was against the #2s but he was playing WITH the 2s as well. It balances out and therefore wouldn’t have changed a thing in his personal performance. And for the life of me I can’t seem to wrap my head around why anyone can talk about his “2” ints WITHOUT talking about our highly touted WR (Keyton) lack of effort for a 50/50 ball that his qb put in a winnable spot. That’s far more concerning to me than the qbs decision to give him a chance. At the end of the day yes he threw 2ints but he also completed 70%, threw for over 100 in a total of only 16 plays, showed pocket awareness and ability to escape. 0 plays went backwards and the only time the O was “behind the sticks” was due to penalty which he also showed his ability to overcome. Call me optimistic but I for one thought he was very impressive given the circumstances.
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Agreed. JG is our guy this year but Maurer looked good to me. What impressed me most is he had command of the offense. He took charge and ran a no huddle offense in his first spring game as well as an upperclassman would.
 
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BeardedVol said:
The fact that our run game was as bad as it was, begs the question of why we weren't throwing it more. Whether or not JG would have maintained his stats with 100+ more attempts is irrelevant, because you can't prove either way whether or not he would have maintained the vaunted efficiency which you seem to find so appealing.

Texas Tech didn't lose games because Mahomes wasn't doing his job as a QB, they lost because their defense was trash. In 2016 Mahomes was responsible for 41 passing TDs and 12 rushing TDs, trying to compare Guarantano to him because Texas Tech finished 5-7 is like comparing Big K Lemon Drop to Johnnie Walker 18 Year because they are both liquids.
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Hmmm, well your second paragraph is interesting. People talk about a QBs starting record and what it is. Why does defense matter? I mean a great W/L record is supposed to be mainly on a QB right? So why does Mahomes get a pass here?
 
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KBVol said:
And why did Helton not trust JG?

1. Didn’t turn the ball over
2. Completed passes at a high percentage
3. Didn’t take a lot sacks (less than 2 per game behind the worst OL in the country and program history)
4. Read defenses very well as evidenced by his school record attempted passes without an interception coupled with a good yards per attempt.

So, the JG detractors can raise all the false flags about JG that they want, but those 4 things regarding JG are facts that would lead one to believe that Helton had to no reason not to trust JG. And as we all now see, Pruitt sure as hell trust him.
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You could easily give some credit to The O-line for the 4 points you made, but you choose to call them the worst in program history.
 
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JG is pretty smart for the most part IMO, he doesn’t do a lot of things that are going to hurt you and if given time he usually makes a smart decision. This is an impressive stat considering he spent most of his time on his hind end. If he can stay upright this season I think we’ll be happy with him. I think he’s talented, we’ve seen flashes, he has a pretty deep ball and an accurate one for the most part. He’s got to work on feeling that blind side pressure though. That’s my biggest complaint with him.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Hmmm, well your second paragraph is interesting. People talk about a QBs starting record and what it is. Why does defense matter? I mean a great W/L record is supposed to be mainly on a QB right? So why does Mahomes get a pass here?
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Because Mahomes was doing his job, and JG only managed 12 passing TDs and 0 rushing TDs on the season.
 
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Vol$_Deep_11_9 said:
JG is pretty smart for the most part IMO, he doesn’t do a lot of things that are going to hurt you and if given time he usually makes a smart decision. This is an impressive stat considering he spent most of his time on his hind end. If he can stay upright this season I think we’ll be happy with him. I think he’s talented, we’ve seen flashes, he has a pretty deep ball and an accurate one for the most part. He’s got to work on feeling that blind side pressure though. That’s my biggest complaint with him.
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His short game is good, but I'm going to disagree on the deep ball. That is where he is inaccurate. Some of it is lack of protection, but some of it is on him. His completion percentage is good because of fewer pass attempts and short passes. It's a combo of him and the O- line.
 
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vols 30 said:
His short game is good, but I'm going to disagree on the deep ball. That is where he is inaccurate. Some of it is lack of protection, but some of it is on him. His completion percentage is good because of fewer pass attempts and short passes. It's a combo of him and the O- line.
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Was 2nd in the SEC last behind only Tua in 20+ yard completions.
 
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vols 30 said:
His short game is good, but I'm going to disagree on the deep ball. That is where he is inaccurate. Some of it is lack of protection, but some of it is on him. His completion percentage is good because of fewer pass attempts and short passes. It's a combo of him and the O- line.
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That is factually incorrect. He is actually one of the top deep ball passers.
 
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KBVol said:
Was 2nd in the SEC last behind only Tua in 20+ yard completions.
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Is That catch and run for 20? What about ball that are caught 30+ yards down field?

Beside the Auburn game, I don't remember many of those?
 
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vols 30 said:
Is That catch and run for 20? What about ball that are caught 30+ yards down field?

Beside the Auburn game, I don't remember many of those?
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Yeah, you’re right. Matter of fact, every other 20+ yard completions by SEC QBs in the SEC last year were 20+ yard catches with zero yards after catch, while all of JGs were behind the line of scrimmage screens where the receiver ran 25+ yards, including the Auburn completions which were just a figment of your imagination. There, your narrative is in tact.
 
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