2020 Presidential Race

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Let's get back to the point I was making before. 2008- Trump supported Hillary, then McCain. How much has he trash talked both of those people? Yet in 2008, he supported them both at one point.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I can't say that is was a bad look for Dems because I don't remember the birther-ism issue coming up in 2008. It could have been used by some of her fringe supporters but it never attained a high profile.
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That's my whole point. It never attained a high profile because the media didn't pick up on it. It gained major notoriety when the right, including Donald (I guess he had flipped and was a Republican at this point) picked up on it. Then the media decided to pick up on it, point at conservatives and say "Look at this racist conspiracy theory they're running!"

Birtherism was being run by supporters of Clinton, particularly on the internet, during the 2008 Dem primaries. There was some smoke at the time Sidney Blumenthal was involved in fanning the flames of it (see link below). However, the media never publicly asked the Clinton campaign about it, if she had anything to do with it, was never asked to repudiate it, etc. If Clinton was running as a Republican, she absolutely would have had her feet held to the fire regarding this and would have had to talk about it and come out and deny it, even if her campaign had nothing to do with it. Still would have been a bad look. It's a textbook example of how the media doesn't lie per se, but they absolutely create narratives through what they decide to cover and don't decide to cover.

2 Clinton supporters in ’08 reportedly shared Obama ‘birther’ story
 
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05_never_again said:
That's my whole point. It never attained a high profile because the media didn't pick up on it. It gained major notoriety when the right, including Donald (I guess he had flipped and was a Republican at this point) picked up on it. Then the media decided to pick up on it, point at conservatives and say "Look at this racist conspiracy theory they're running!"

Birtherism was being run by supporters of Clinton, particularly on the internet, during the 2008 Dem primaries. There was some smoke at the time Sidney Blumenthal was involved in fanning the flames of it (see link below). However, the media never publicly asked the Clinton campaign about it, if she had anything to do with it, was never asked to repudiate it, etc. If Clinton was running as a Republican, she absolutely would have had her feet held to the fire regarding this and would have had to talk about it and come out and deny it, even if her campaign had nothing to do with it. Still would have been a bad look. It's a textbook example of how the media doesn't lie per se, but they absolutely create narratives through what they decide to cover and don't decide to cover.

2 Clinton supporters in ’08 reportedly shared Obama ‘birther’ story
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This is ridiculous. Why should the media report something that only a handful of her supporters were floating around? They were not members of her campaign and she wasn't talking about it. When the media gets wind of unfounded claims by a few fringe supporters of a candidate who have no direct affiliation with the campaign, they should ignore those unfounded claims until there is some proof in support of them. Otherwise, they would just be feeding the unfounded claims with publicity and could run the risk of giving those claims an air of legitimacy.

Regardless of how hard you are trying to hold Hillary Clinton responsible for the birther-ism theory, she wasn't. Nobody promoted that theory as aggressively as Donald Trump and no other candidate for President ever claimed to be collecting evidence to support the theory - just Trump. He talked about it more than anyone else (by far) and he said that he would be providing evidence. What a liar.

"They can't believe what they're finding." - Donald Trump in 2011, on his team of investigators in Hawaii. What a crock.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is ridiculous. Why should the media report something that only a handful of her supporters were floating around? They were not members of her campaign and she wasn't talking about it. When the media gets wind of unfounded claims by a few fringe supporters of a candidate who have no direct affiliation with the campaign, they should ignore those unfounded claims until there is some proof in support of them. Otherwise, they would just be feeding the unfounded claims with publicity and could run the risk of giving those claims an air of legitimacy.

Regardless of how hard you are trying to hold Hillary Clinton responsible for the birther-ism theory, she wasn't. Nobody promoted that theory as aggressively as Donald Trump and no other candidate for President ever claimed to be collecting evidence to support the theory - just Trump. He talked about it more than anyone else (by far) and he said that he would be providing evidence. What a liar.

"They can't believe what they're finding." - Donald Trump in 2011, on his team of investigators in Hawaii. What a crock.
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If she was a Republican, you know they would have picked up on it and shown it for everyone to see. She would have had to deny involvement, repudiate it, have the strength of the repudiation judged, etc. It would have been this big ordeal and bad look for her campaign, even if she or her staff didn't have a thing to do with it. It was quite pervasive on the internet in 2008.
 
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05_never_again said:
If she was a Republican, you know they would have picked up on it and shown it for everyone to see. She would have had to deny involvement, repudiate it, have the strength of the repudiation judged, etc. It would have been this big ordeal and bad look for her campaign, even if she or her staff didn't have a thing to do with it. It was quite pervasive on the internet in 2008.
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There is nothing to suggest that she wouldn't have done exactly that if confronted with it. Now, what did Trump do in 2011 when he was asked about it? He gave it legitimacy. He claimed to have dispatched a team of investigators to Hawaii to uncover evidence to support it and then said that his investigators couldn't believe what they were finding (strongly implying that they had uncovered proof). Trump then said that he would be holding a press conference soon, where this proof would be made public. In reality, no press conference was ever held and there has never been any indication that the team of investigators in Hawaii which Trump mentioned, even existed.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
🤣😂😆😀😃👌

If anyone believes that I've got some ocean front property in Sparta I'll sale you!

Have you forgot what ALL the polls said going into November 8, 2016?

Hillary was going to be the next President of the United States and it wasn't going to be close! The election was just formality before the coronation.
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No man, for real...like that poll was put on the internet and so it has to be real. They called and polled me like 15 times.

Its so true 😏
 
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Weezer said:
Let's get back to the point I was making before. 2008- Trump supported Hillary, then McCain. How much has he trash talked both of those people? Yet in 2008, he supported them both at one point.
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I often wonder how many on here, who bash McCain, voted for him for President. I bet the vast majority.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Willie Brown: Still No Democrats Can Beat Trump (Including Kamala Harris)

Former California State Assembly speaker and San Francisco mayor Willie Brown has declared, in the wake of the first Democratic Party presidential primary debate, that there is still no candidate who can beat President Donald Trump.

Brown made his observations in his most recent column for the San Francisco Chronicle on Saturday, titled, “Bad news for Democrats — none of these candidates can beat Trump.”

Brown wrote:
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The first Democratic debates proved one thing: We still don’t have a candidate who can beat Donald Trump.

California Sen. Kamala Harris got all the attention for playing prosecutor in chief, but her case against former Vice President Joe Biden boiled down in some ways to a ringing call for forced school busing. It won’t be too hard for Trump to knock that one out of the park in 2020.

Trump must have enjoyed every moment and every answer, because he now knows he’s looking at a bunch of potential rivals who are still not ready for prime time.​
Willie Brown: Still No Democrats Can Beat Trump (Including Kamala Harris) | Breitbart
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Willie must still have bitterness towards Kamala after their affair ended and she became the DA. Apparently, she threatened to have him indicted if he had so much as a jaywalking charge.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It looks like April Ryan disagreed with him and frankly, this is really stupid. Harris clearly has African ancestry (with a black Jamaican father) and she was born in the United States. Her mother is Indian-American. There is no qualifier beyond that ... even if you want to be ridiculous and insist that you must be the descendant of a slave - nobody can prove that she isn't.

The purpose behind this stupid argument (and it may not be just the right who is making it), is to suggest that her experience as a black person growing up and living in the United States has been especially different or somehow easier than other blacks ... and that somehow discredits her from discussing the struggles of blacks for equality. That is not something you could possibly know unless you personally know her. It is very much like birther-ism, where the point was also to designate Obama something other than what he claimed to be through innuendo.

Now, some on the right might feel their own participation in this stupid discussion is validated because you can point to some blacks or some idiots on the left who are discussing it as well ... and in my opinion, it isn't.
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So what you're trying to say is Harris is a mutt?
 
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Weezer said:
Seems more like she's facing internalized racism than she is political attack. I agree it's a stupid argument, but it's also stupid to blame the right when the argument arose in the black community. Blaming the right is far more politically motivated than people questioning Kamala's claim of being African American.
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Can't be ... her political side doesn't include racists ... that is reserved for white Republicans.
 
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