2020 Presidential Race

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Burger said:
It is indeed a stupid story to go after, but the black community is basically an empty void for the Republican party.
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But you don't want them super-motivated to turn out to vote in Milwaukee, Philadelphia and Detroit. This is one way to do it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You read that in Donald Trump Jr's re-tweet (which he quickly deleted) and there is no proof of that. A far right political pundit named Ali Alexander (he used to call himself Ali Akbar) has been peddling that. Kamala Harris was born in Oakland, California and has a black father (Donald Harris) who (though from Jamaica) is of African ancestry and she has a multi-racial (Indian-American) mother, which makes her just as much of an African-American as Barack Obama (whose mother was white as the driven snow). This is on the level of the birther-ism garbage. Go there if you want, but it won't win you votes in the black community.
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Don't have twitter so no idea what junior tweets and no idea who that other person is either..I click through from twitter things posted here to read things and follow comment trails searching things out.

So you missed the twitter link on the CNN discussion about Harris being black but not African American?

If you'd have dug into that a bit you might have seen further conversations among folks discussing and explaining that they don't consider her African American due to the fact that her family line doesn't include African slaves brought into this country. You might also have seen documents posted where her father discussed his Jamaican ancestry, naming both paternal and maternal sides and stating they were slave owners.

Those comments all came from within the black community. Got an issue with it, go take it up with them.

Just don't be surprised if you hear more of those same comments from within the same community.

PS....gasp, and some stated the same thoughts and feelings about Obama.
 
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DynaLo said:
Don't have twitter so no idea what junior tweets and no idea who that other person is either..I click through from twitter things posted here to read things and follow comment trails searching things out.

So you missed the twitter link on the CNN discussion about Harris being black but not African American?

If you'd have dug into that a bit you might have seen further conversations among folks discussing and explaining that they don't consider her African American due to the fact that her family line doesn't include African slaves brought into this country. You might also have seen documents posted where her father discussed his Jamaican ancestry, naming both paternal and maternal sides and stating they were slave owners.

Those comments all came from within the black community. Got an issue with it, go take it up with them.

Just don't be surprised if you hear more of those same comments from within the same community.

PS....gasp, and some stated the same thoughts and feelings about Obama.
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Black Jamaicans are Jamaicans of full or partial Black African descent. You can obviously be of both Jamaican and African ancestry at the same time ... and if you are a black Jamaican? Then that is the case. There is not a qualifier for whether or not you were the descendant of slaves (which regardless of what you saw in "Roots" is impossible to trace back as far as you would need to go in order to conclude that she is not). Two things we do know: 1) Kamala Harris's father is a black Jamaican, so she does also have some African ancestry. 2) She was born in Oakland, California to a mother who is Indian-American. Together, these two features combine to make her ethnicity known as what is commonly referred to in recent, politically correct times as being "African-American".

This is a stupid thing to argue and it implies that she is being dishonest (about her rather admittedly complex ancestry) and it will not help the Republican's cause to promote this topic as a means of discrediting her ability to relate to the experiences of black people in this country.
 
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I really don't give a crap either way..She won't be President.


I just found it interesting that folks in the black Democratic voter base were having that discussion. I've had conversations with friends about the pigment bias issues but didn't realize there was a ancestral lineage bias issue as well.
 
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DynaLo said:
I really don't give a crap either way..She won't be President.


I just found it interesting that folks in the black Democratic voter base were having that discussion. I've had conversations with friends about the pigment bias issues but didn't realize there was a ancestral lineage bias issue as well.
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I don't think that is very prevalent but I wouldn't doubt that there is some resentment in the black community for her being married to a rich, white man.
 
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So the Irish guy has stepped up the Hispanic vote pandering a notch. Live streaming a visit inside Mexico talking to folks turned away at the border..
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If you are implying that a person who speaks only in Spanish, is evidence by itself that they could be in the country illegally, then that is just ignorant. In many areas of Miami, Spanish has become the predominant language, replacing English in every day life. People who don't speak Spanish have trouble finding jobs working with the public in Miami. The ability to speak Spanish is a useful skill in this country, and those who can do it while running for President, should once in a while. That isn't pandering. It's communicating to prospective voters and showing them that their vote is important - and winning in Florida next year is critical to both sides.
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I thought the pandering comment referred to Dems wanting free healthcare for illegals. A promise like that seems targeted to illegals, who should not be voting.
 
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Weezer said:
Is it? I mean, Don Lemon, who no one will ever mistake as someone on the right, made the argument she is not African American. A black woman, yes, but not an African American. That's not just some Republican talking point. It goes beyond anything Trump Jr. tweeted. But I've yet to see anyone going after Don Lemon.

https://www.ebony.com/news/don-lemon-april-ryan-have-tense-debate-over-sen-kamala-harris/
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It looks like April Ryan disagreed with him and frankly, this is really stupid. Harris clearly has African ancestry (with a black Jamaican father) and she was born in the United States. Her mother is Indian-American. There is no qualifier beyond that ... even if you want to be ridiculous and insist that you must be the descendant of a slave - nobody can prove that she isn't.

The purpose behind this stupid argument (and it may not be just the right who is making it), is to suggest that her experience as a black person growing up and living in the United States has been especially different or somehow easier than other blacks ... and that somehow discredits her from discussing the struggles of blacks for equality. That is not something you could possibly know unless you personally know her. It is very much like birther-ism, where the point was also to designate Obama something other than what he claimed to be through innuendo.

Now, some on the right might feel their own participation in this stupid discussion is validated because you can point to some blacks or some idiots on the left who are discussing it as well ... and in my opinion, it isn't.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Black Jamaicans are Jamaicans of full or partial Black African descent. You can obviously be of both Jamaican and African ancestry at the same time ... and if you are a black Jamaican? Then that is the case. There is not a qualifier for whether or not you were the descendant of slaves (which regardless of what you saw in "Roots" is impossible to trace back as far as you would need to go in order to conclude that she is not). Two things we do know: 1) Kamala Harris's father is a black Jamaican, so she does also have some African ancestry. 2) She was born in Oakland, California to a mother who is Indian-American. Together, these two features combine to make her ethnicity known as what is commonly referred to in recent, politically correct times as being "African-American".

This is a stupid thing to argue and it implies that she is being dishonest (about her rather admittedly complex ancestry) and it will not help the Republican's cause to promote this topic as a means of discrediting her ability to relate to the experiences of black people in this country.
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You are trying so hard to carry Kamala Whoreish's water today. Take a break.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It looks like April Ryan disagreed with him and frankly, this is really stupid. Harris clearly has African ancestry (with a black Jamaican father) and she was born in the United States. Her mother is Indian-American. There is no qualifier beyond that ... even if you want to be ridiculous and insist that you must be the descendant of a slave - nobody can prove that she isn't.

The purpose behind this stupid argument (and it may not be just the right who is making it), is to suggest that her experience as a black person growing up and living in the United States has been especially different or somehow easier than other blacks ... and that somehow discredits her from discussing the struggles of blacks for equality. That is not something you could possibly know unless you personally know her. It is very much like birther-ism, where the point was also to designate Obama something other than what he claimed to be through innuendo.

Now, some on the right might feel their own participation in this stupid discussion is validated because you can point to some blacks or some idiots on the left who are discussing it as well ... and in my opinion, it isn't.
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Well, technically she didn't really "grow up" here now did she... Her mom moved them to Canada and Harris lived and attended school there until she moved back here for college.

Not discounting the time she did spend here as a small child but it's highly likely she experienced a much different teenage life in Canada than what folks her age were experiencing here.
 
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That stump you're on...it appears you may not know much about what type of tree it is.

My whole point has been that anyone thinking Harris is going to carry a particular Democratic voter demographic due to her skin tone might want to pay more attention to conversations happening within that same community that suggests otherwise.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It looks like April Ryan disagreed with him and frankly, this is really stupid. Harris clearly has African ancestry (with a black Jamaican father) and she was born in the United States. Her mother is Indian-American. There is no qualifier beyond that ... even if you want to be ridiculous and insist that you must be the descendant of a slave - nobody can prove that she isn't.

The purpose behind this stupid argument (and it may not be just the right who is making it), is to suggest that her experience as a black person growing up and living in the United States has been especially different or somehow easier than other blacks ... and that somehow discredits her from discussing the struggles of blacks for equality. That is not something you could possibly know unless you personally know her. It is very much like birther-ism, where the point was also to designate Obama something other than what he claimed to be through innuendo.

Now, some on the right might feel their own participation in this stupid discussion is validated because you can point to some blacks or some idiots on the left who are discussing it as well ... and in my opinion, it isn't.
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Why do Ds and those sympathetic to liberal ideology try to destroy each other based on race? Birtherism started in the Clinton campaign. Harris' authentic blackness stupidity is questioned by Lemmon.

The political side which is thought to transcend ethnicity sure seems to wallow in it excessively.
 
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McDad said:
Why do Ds and those sympathetic to liberal ideology try to destroy each other based on race? Birtherism started in the Clinton campaign. Harris' authentic blackness stupidity is questioned by Lemmon.

The political side which is thought to transcend ethnicity sure seems to wallow in it excessively.
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That is not true and has been debunked many times in many different places including PolitiFact who specifically stated that Trump's claim that the Clinton campaign started birtherism was False.
 
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DynaLo said:
Well, technically she didn't really "grow up" here now did she... Her mom moved them to Canada and Harris lived and attended school there until she moved back here for college.

Not discounting the time she did spend here as a small child but it's highly likely she experienced a much different teenage life in Canada than what folks her age were experiencing here.
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How the hell would you know?
 
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Kamala Harris Promises Opportunities, but Outsources U.S. Jobs to Indian Graduates

Sen. Kamala Harris is declaring herself the supporter of working families — but she is the lead Democratic sponsor on legislation which offers green cards to hundreds of thousands of Indian college grads who agree to take middle-class jobs sought by young American graduates.

If Harris’ outsourcing law is adopted, the rush of Central Americans migrants at the southern border will be overshadowed by a huge rush of Indian college graduates walking into professional jobs throughout the United States. “It is impossible to understate the significance of this,” said Jessica Vaughan, policy director at the Center for Immigration Studies. Vaughan continued:
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
How the hell would you know?
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I said highly likely, which to most folks is not considered an absolute statement. How would you know that she didn't.

You do know she went to high school in Quebec right?
You do know she started a dance troupe in that school and was very popular with her peers right?
You do know that Quebec was ahead of us in comprehensive legislation dealing with race issues right?

I'm a few years older than Harris so I remember what things were still like here in the 1970's since I saw and heard it. So yes, I'm going to still say that I think racial issues were not the same in Quebec at that time as they were here in the US.
 
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