2020 Presidential Race

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BowlBrother85 said:
For one thing, the United States is already an even mix of socialism and capitalism or "socialism light" as you call it. And for another, during the 2016 Presidential campaign, candidate Trump promised he would eliminate the nation's debt in 8 years. Instead, his budgets would add $9.1 trillion during that time, per Trump's own budget estimates. That does not mean less government.
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Democrats don't need to be discussing budgets and national debt. They are only concerned about it when they are out of power. Unbelievable the funds spent by Obama, more debt than the 4 presidents before him, and crickets from Democrats. Running deficits seem to be a bipartisan issue. I am a balanced budget, term limits guy and I feel that both parties have let the nation down in this area, but certainly I would never trust any Democrat to solve it. I don't think balanced budgets will come unless we have term limits. In any case, I don't feel like Trump is a Republican but certainly not a Democrat and I am voting "not Democrat". You will find this is a common theme and the main reason Trump can fill stadiums and win elections.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Lack of military service applies to anyone who has attempted to disparage the service of someone else by saying things like "He is a hero because he was captured... I like people who weren't captured." That took quite a bit of nerve from Cadet Bone Spurs.
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Trump says what is on his mind. If you don't like him, vote him out. Don't try to do it with a phony investigation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are in Florida, as am I. I cannot speak for elsewhere but there is a defensiveness, a defiance, in '16 Trump voters here. They are going to vote for him again despite any misgivings because they cannot bring themselves to admit they got conned by him in the first go 'round. And they refuse to even discuss it. They are voting for him again, no matter what!
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I would be really interested to see how.many people change their vote the second time around. I bet it ain't much for past elections.
 
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LouderVol said:
I would be really interested to see how.many people change their vote the second time around. I bet it ain't much for past elections.
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That's a good point and I imagine you are right. Its really a matter of turnout. The question this go 'round is:

1) We know that the Trump base is fervent and will be there. But some significant portion of his voting block in '16 showed up to vote AGAINST Clinton, not so much FOR Trump. So if the Dems nominate Biden, and not someone as polarizing as HRC, it is reasonable to expect that some part of that group of anti-HRC voters will simply not show up.

2) HRC did particularly poorly with black voters in terms of turnout, at least relative to Obama. That's why I think Biden picks Harris to be his VP. A black woman VP, but one who is pro law enforcement and not threatening to that group in # 1 above.
 
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LouderVol said:
I would be really interested to see how.many people change their vote the second time around. I bet it ain't much for past elections.
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I have to disagree. I think a lot of people could in no way stomach voting for Hillary. They stayed home or voted Trump. Now I say that to also point out I was wrong every step of the way last presidential election.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's a good point and I imagine you are right. Its really a matter of turnout. The question this go 'round is:

1) We know that the Trump base is fervent and will be there. But some significant portion of his voting block in '16 showed up to vote AGAINST Clinton, not so much FOR Trump. So if the Dems nominate Biden, and not someone as polarizing as HRC, it is reasonable to expect that some part of that group of anti-HRC voters will simply not show up.

2) HRC did particularly poorly with black voters in terms of turnout, at least relative to Obama. That's why I think Biden picks Harris to be his VP. A black woman VP, but one who is pro law enforcement and not threatening to that group in # 1 above.
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This is so true. I feel most people who voted trump did so due to their disdain for Hilary and the great nicknames.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's a good point and I imagine you are right. Its really a matter of turnout. The question this go 'round is:

1) We know that the Trump base is fervent and will be there. But some significant portion of his voting block in '16 showed up to vote AGAINST Clinton, not so much FOR Trump. So if the Dems nominate Biden, and not someone as polarizing as HRC, it is reasonable to expect that some part of that group of anti-HRC voters will simply not show up.

2) HRC did particularly poorly with black voters in terms of turnout, at least relative to Obama. That's why I think Biden picks Harris to be his VP. A black woman VP, but one who is pro law enforcement and not threatening to that group in # 1 above.
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I will give you the never Hilary group. But a good chunk of those are just never Democrats as well.

I dont pay attention, but has trump said he is sticking with Pence? Regardless I hope he doesnt straight up pander like a ho Harris selection. And yes that would include pence to the Christians. Pandering is pandering.

Trump did better with minorities than any other R. Could just be turnout, but I think/hope some are seeing thru the pandering. If I am trump I am pushing the unemployment rate.

Point being unless there is some serious pandering the Ds are going to see some loss on the minorities the farther they get from Obama. Even if Trump doesnt pick them up weakening that base will go a LONG way.

Trump could throw a major ratchet in the Dem plan by getting Ben Carson or Candace Owen's as VP.
 
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Fun coupon VOL said:
This is so true. I feel most people who voted trump did so due to their disdain for Hilary and the great nicknames.
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Most, no way. That's the Russians talking to you. A decent number ~20% at best/worst. But he will keep a good chunk of that because they pulled the lever once, incumbent, and decent econ.

My prediction is EC numbers stay similar but Trump picks up the popular vote. Not by much, but just enough.
 
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CNN cuts away from Trump rally as crowd starts shouting 'CNN sucks!'

CNN cut away from President Trump's 2020 presidential re-election campaign launch on Tuesday after he reiterated his attacks on the media and incited the crowd to scream 'CNN sucks!'

Just minutes into his rally in Orlando, Florida, the President referred to his 2015 campaign announcement as a 'defining moment in American history', then, pointing to the media covering the event, added: 'Ask them right there'.

The crowd of around 20,000 then started chanting 'CNN sucks!' - a familiar refrain at Trump rallies, while the President smiled his approval.

'By the way,' Trump continued, 'that is a lot of fake news back there'.

'The amount of press we have tonight reminds me of the Academy Awards before it went political and their ratings went down the tubes.'

CNN cuts away from Trump rally as crowd starts shouting 'CNN sucks!' | Daily Mail Online
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Bill Clinton was impeached for having consensual sex with an intern and lying about it, which also began as an investigation by a special counsel. The majority of his two terms were spent under some sort of investigation, whether it was a result of travel-gate, Whitewater or Lewinsky. Clinton left office in 2001 with a consensus approval rating that was over 60%.
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I thought that it was now customary to apply current rules to the past, and that sex with an underling by an authority figure cannot by definition be considered "consensual". I'm also not aware that the GOP hired a foreign spy who interviewed Russian sources to speculate that Bill and Monica played hide the cigar and other parlor tricks. It seems like that all leaked out of the WH itself.
 
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