CBS mock draft has Grant Williams at No. 13 to the Heat, Schofield at 25

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walkenvol said:
Can’t believe he stayed in the draft without one or more teams promising him they would pick him and most likely in the first round. He could have returned and honed his outside shot to improve his draft status instead of rolling the dice if he didn’t have some assurances
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His status wouldn’t improve much. He would be a year older and teams would likely view his ceiling and potential as even smaller than they do now.
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walkenvol said:
Can’t believe he stayed in the draft without one or more teams promising him they would pick him and most likely in the first round. He could have returned and honed his outside shot to improve his draft status instead of rolling the dice if he didn’t have some assurances
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Who's to say a team didn't make that promise to him?
 
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pimo1 said:
No matter how much you bring up logic they ignore it. People do not get that there is a ticking clock on these kid's.
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And the flip side is williams ticking clock started later as he’s a year younger than most his class
 
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walkenvol said:
Can’t believe he stayed in the draft without one or more teams promising him they would pick him and most likely in the first round. He could have returned and honed his outside shot to improve his draft status instead of rolling the dice if he didn’t have some assurances
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Supposedly Utah at 23 and/or Brooklyn at 27 promised Grant Williams they would take him if the was there. At least that was the rumor floating around the combine. We will find out Thursday.
 
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BruinVol said:
And the flip side is williams ticking clock started later as he’s a year younger than most his class
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Yeah but the things the NBA wants him to work on (his 3 ball and perimeter skills) he can develop under the eye of an NBA franchise and get paid to do it. Do you think he would be playing a ton on the perimeter had he stayed? The only reason he would have returned would be because he wanted to and enjoyed school. His stock is pretty much maxed out in the eyes of the NBA.
 
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I have a subscription to The Athletic....Seth Davis does this yearly where he talks anonymously with six scouts/executives in the NBA and gets their candid take on prospects. Below are Admiral's, Grant's and Bone's:

Bone
“Freak athlete. He was one or two in every combine testing. He’s going to surprise some people. Great upside. Rick Barnes is really tough on his point guards, and this kid got through it and survived and got better. It wouldn’t shock me if he goes late first round. His feel and decision-making and knowing the position will take some time. He needs to continue to improve as a shooter. I think toward the end of the season he was playing more for the NBA than for his team. He wasn’t looking for people as much.”

Admiral
“I love that kid. Old, strong, tough. I like winners. Excellent midrange scorer but he needs to improve his 3-point shot. He also needs to improve as a passer. I don’t think he’s as good a perimeter defender as some other people. Got to Tennessee as a little fat guy and now he’s ripped up. He’s gotta be Jae Crowder or P.J. Tucker. He’s got no game with the ball in his hands. Physicality, leadership, he has those boxes checked. Can’t really create for others or himself. I think he goes second round and makes a team.”

Williams
“Great basketball IQ, solid in the mid-range. Give him the ball at the elbow and he’ll be a very good scorer and passer. I wouldn’t trust him to post him up because he definitely has trouble scoring over length. He needs to be in a system. He did not look good in Chicago, which is more of a freelance situation. He did a pro day and for some reason they had him standing and doing perimeter jumpers, which is not his strong suit. He’s going to be a great culture guy. Even if he doesn’t get a lot of minutes, he’ll make your practices more competitive. I just don’t know what he did in college that translates to our league. Very smart. Very tough. You’re going to have to live with him making ugly plays because he’s not a great athlete. For a guy to go from one SEC offer to a two-time player of the year in that league is amazing. He always seems to figure it out.”
 
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wisvol22 said:
I have a subscription to The Athletic....Seth Davis does this yearly where he talks anonymously with six scouts/executives in the NBA and gets their candid take on prospects. Below are Admiral's, Grant's and Bone's:

Bone
“Freak athlete. He was one or two in every combine testing. He’s going to surprise some people. Great upside. Rick Barnes is really tough on his point guards, and this kid got through it and survived and got better. It wouldn’t shock me if he goes late first round. His feel and decision-making and knowing the position will take some time. He needs to continue to improve as a shooter. I think toward the end of the season he was playing more for the NBA than for his team. He wasn’t looking for people as much.”

Admiral
“I love that kid. Old, strong, tough. I like winners. Excellent midrange scorer but he needs to improve his 3-point shot. He also needs to improve as a passer. I don’t think he’s as good a perimeter defender as some other people. Got to Tennessee as a little fat guy and now he’s ripped up. He’s gotta be Jae Crowder or P.J. Tucker. He’s got no game with the ball in his hands. Physicality, leadership, he has those boxes checked. Can’t really create for others or himself. I think he goes second round and makes a team.”

Williams
“Great basketball IQ, solid in the mid-range. Give him the ball at the elbow and he’ll be a very good scorer and passer. I wouldn’t trust him to post him up because he definitely has trouble scoring over length. He needs to be in a system. He did not look good in Chicago, which is more of a freelance situation. He did a pro day and for some reason they had him standing and doing perimeter jumpers, which is not his strong suit. He’s going to be a great culture guy. Even if he doesn’t get a lot of minutes, he’ll make your practices more competitive. I just don’t know what he did in college that translates to our league. Very smart. Very tough. You’re going to have to live with him making ugly plays because he’s not a great athlete. For a guy to go from one SEC offer to a two-time player of the year in that league is amazing. He always seems to figure it out.”
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He nailed it on Bone and GW. Schofield evaluation may be more accurate than I am willing to admit. I do think he is better with the ball in his hands than Davis gives him credit for, and I don't think his 3-pt shot needs improvement, necessarily.
 
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One thing that seems certain is that no one knows where these three will go. They are all over the board. I have seen talk about all 3 possibly being 1st rounders, and talk about all three being 2nd rounders to undrafted (Bone and Scho).
 
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cncchris33 said:
One thing that seems certain is that no one knows where these three will go. They are all over the board. I have seen talk about all 3 possibly being 1st rounders, and talk about all three being 2nd rounders to undrafted (Bone and Scho).
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I think all 3 get drafted, Grant late 1st, Admiral early to mid 2nd (possibly late 1st) and Bone mid to late 2nd.
 
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Before Bone's performance at the combine, I didn't think he would get drafted. Now, I'm pretty sure somebody will take him in the 2nd.
 
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