The Atlanta Braves - Hello darkness my old friend

#40,112
#40,112
Florida Stanley said:
There is absolutely no way to quantify this, it is literally impossible, but the answer is not Barry Bonds
Click to expand...

Mike Trout, who is the best baseball player of the decade, had a career high 1.088 OPS last year. Bonds’ OPS from 1992-2004 was 1.153. While playing elite defense and elite base running for half that!
 
#40,114
#40,114
zjcvols said:
Mike Trout, who is the best baseball player of the decade, had a career high 1.088 OPS last year. Bonds’ OPS from 1992-2004 was 1.153. While playing elite defense and elite base running for half that!
Click to expand...
Yes, that’s good. Ruth had a 2.28 career ERA in over 1200 innings pitched, and hit .342 with 714 HRs. Does that make him a better “baseball” player than Bonds? I am not certain. Ty Cobb was a ****ing war machine. Ted Williams was probably the best hitter of all time who lost years of his prime to war. There are simply too many variables to determine the greatest of all time.

Also you cant write off Bonds steroid usage. You just can’t f’ing do it. And I am not a Bonds hater.
 
  • Like
Reactions: vols 30 and VolFan4life24
#40,118
#40,118
Florida Stanley said:
Yes, that’s good. Ruth had a 2.28 career ERA in over 1200 innings pitched, and hit .342 with 714 HRs. Does that make him a better “baseball” player than Bonds? I am not certain. Ty Cobb was a ****ing war machine. Ted Williams was probably the best hitter of all time who lost years of his prime to war. There are simply too many variables to determine the greatest of all time.

Also you cant write off Bonds steroid usage. You just can’t f’ing do it. And I am not a Bonds hater.
Click to expand...

All those guys played in their prime pre-integration. While legends, they played a complete different game and didn’t play in a league that was fair. I’d argue that them playing pre-integration (not their fault) is just as much as an advantage as Bonds’ steroid use. They didn’t play against a significant portion of the population.

And Bonds was a ridiculously dominant player before his steroid usage and after his steroid usage,
 
#40,121
#40,121
zjcvols said:
All those guys played in their prime pre-integration. While legends, they played a complete different game.

And Bonds was a ridiculously dominant player before his steroid usage and after his steroid usage,
Click to expand...
its a complete different game every decade, that’s why there is no definite best, and anyone who says there is, is wrong. That’s what makes baseball great. Was Bonds even the best player of the 90’s?
 
  • Like
Reactions: VolFan4life24
#40,124
#40,124
Florida Stanley said:
its a complete different game every decade, that’s why there is no definite best, and anyone who says there is, is wrong. That’s what makes baseball great. Was Bonds even the best player of the 90’s?
Click to expand...

That’s a fair point and I completely understand that POV.

If you go by Fangraphs Bonds had 81 WAR in the 90’s. Griffey was 2nd at 68.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top